[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

We are talking about life in the Villages. It is kind of hard to conceal a gun when you are in shorts ahttps://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36035&d=1395356102nd a T-shirt, or in a bathing suit, or in tight fitting very warm weather clothes. I suppose if this were a colder climate it would be harder or if men usually carried backpacks and purses.

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Where do your friends (in the Villages!) conceal their weapons? I also would be curious why they think they need one? I can understand victims of long term domestic violence, stalkers, or ex-cops who might have criminals with grudges against them; people who carry large sums of money; bodyguards; and some others. Basically any one who had a profession where they would have created enemies of the lethal kind.

You posted a link to an excellent article about effective concealment of your weapon. I found it deficient in only two places; its treatment of the smaller caliber pistols and its discussion of inside-the-pocket carry.

North American Arms (NAA) produces a high quality .22 rim fire magnum revolver which is so small that it is incredibly concealable. It can even be equipped with a folding handle with a clip on it to facilitate hiding it. I'll attach photos.

Kel-Tec, and some other companies are producing small semi-automatic pistols in .32 and .380 caliber which are carried very comfortably in the pocket inside a holster which prevents the outline of the pistol from being discerned. The article you linked seemed unaware of the developments in the pocket holster area. See photos.

I assure you that someone in shoes, shorts, tee shirt and golf hat has a multitude of places to conceal a firearm. Actually, even if in a bathing suit alone it can be done.

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[Steve9930]

I read that some time ago. I believe its a good representation.

[Steve9930]

I support open carry. I do have a CCP but would rather open carry if I could.

[chiefrose]

I attended a presentation by the Colonel at Quantico several years ago and he is a dynamic speaker.

Coincidently, I have been retired from LE for over eight years and have yet to carry even though I have a permit to carry in all 50 states.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by chiefrose

I attended a presentation by the Colonel at Quantico several years ago and he is a dynamic speaker.

Coincidently, I have been retired from LE for over eight years and have yet to carry even though I have a permit to carry in all 50 states.

A permit? I haven't heard of a nationwide permit. Are you referring to the Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act of 2004? Technically, there is no permit. It is a federal law.

In order for you to be in compliance with the law you must have two documents on your person, neither of which is a permit:

1. Photographic identification issued by the law enforcement agency from which you retired indicating you meet the requirements defining a "qualified" retiree.

2. A document certified by a firearms instructor that during the most recent 12-month period you have qualified with the firearm type which you wish to carry to specific standards defined in the law.

Without both of these documents on your person you are not authorized to carry a concealed weapon in all 50 states under LEOSA.

Incidentally, LEOSA is not confined to the 50 states. Section 921, Chapter 44 of Title 18 reads: “The term ‘State’ includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the possessions of the United States.

As I understand the essay there is no shame associated with being a sheep. It was simply the analogy invoked by the Colonel in writing the article.

[perrjojo]

Well, I am a sheep, always have been, always will be. I must say however that I am grateful for the sheep dog that keeps me and my flock safe from the wolf! It is a good analogy.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Ah yes, the Sheepdogs are going to be protecting all of us stupid sheep. I found this article one piece of ridiculousness.

The ones who have their concealed carry permits are remiss in their civic duties if they do not carry a pistol everytime they venture into the streets of The Villages is going too far overboard.

I will concede that law enforcement officers need to be armed. Not retired law enforcement officers, but ones on active duty and even off duty.

The Villages is one of the safest places you can live. Naturally, I will see the comeback that the bad guys know so many Villagers pack heat and therefore are scared to come here. More ridiculousness!

If the murder rate mentioned by the author is 6 per 100,000, The Villages should be having at least 6 murders per year. How many years has it been since a murder took place?

We thank you for your duty as a law enforcement officer but you have now retired. Leave it to the active duty law enforcement officers and play golf and relax in this wonderful community.

I'm pretty sure nobody called it "ridiculousness" when this Milwaukee man, shopping at Aldi Supermarket intervened with his concealed weapon to shoot a robber who was waving a shotgun at the cashier and then at the concealed-carry weapon holder.

A lunatic like this can show up ANYWHERE. And if one does, I sure hope a CCW holder like Mr. Al-Mujaahid is right there to take him down!

"The Aldi customer who shot an armed robber in the store Monday won't face any criminal charges, prosecutors confirmed Friday.

Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm said the law allows use of reasonable force in threatening situations, regardless of whether the shooter has a concealed-weapons permit, which the customer did......

.......At a news conference Friday, Al-Mujaahid said he and his wife stopped at the (Aldi) store, 7601 W. Fond du Lac Ave., for some last-minute dinner items. They'd never shopped there before, he said.

As they were in line to check out, he noticed the suspect pointing a shotgun at a cashier, demanding money in a very agitated way. He said he feared for the safety of himself and others so he unholstered his semiautomatic 9mm Steyr handgun, cocked it and kept it down at his side as he motioned another customer behind the robber to move away.

"It was surreal," he said.

When the robber turned the shotgun toward him, Al-Mujaahid said, he fired six or seven shots from about 20 feet away. He said he hit the suspect in the leg and forehead. The robber then dropped the shotgun and bag of money, and fled the store. Police later arrested Dierre Cotton, 20, and Edyon Hibbler, 19, who were charged late Friday with the robbery and two other holdups on the city's northwest side.

According to the complaint, Cotton's gun wasn't loaded; he thought it would just scare cashiers into giving up money more quickly.

Over in 30 seconds
Al-Mujaahid estimated 30 seconds elapsed from the time he first noticed the robber to the time he shot him. He said he knew from his recent training that you need to breathe, keep a clear head, and "commit to a decision......"

Read more from Journal Sentinel:
Aldi customer won't be charged in shooting

[buggyone]

I called the article a piece of ridiculousness with the talk of sheep and sheepdogs. Let the trained police officers do their jobs.

In the article about the robbery, it states the man with a 9mm pistol fired six or seven times from about 20 feet away and hit the robber twice - including in the forehead. Where did the other 4 or 5 bullets go? How does someone flee alone after being shot in the forehead with a 9mm? Personally, I would not want some civilian pumping 6 or 7 bullets in a crowded supermarket during a holdup. Would a trained police officer do that?

What does an article about Milwaukee have to do with The Villages? Nothing.

What about the alleged claim of 6 per 100,000 per year murders? I have not seen 24 murders in The Villages in the 4 years I have lived here. What about the claim of 4 per 1000 aggravated assaults per year? I have not seen 1600 in the 4 years.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I called the article a piece of ridiculousness with the talk of sheep and sheepdogs. Let the trained police officers do their jobs.

In the article about the robbery, it states the man with a 9mm pistol fired six or seven times from about 20 feet away and hit the robber twice - including in the forehead. Where did the other 4 or 5 bullets go? How does someone flee alone after being shot in the forehead with a 9mm? Personally, I would not want some civilian pumping 6 or 7 bullets in a crowded supermarket during a holdup. Would a trained police officer do that?

What does an article about Milwaukee have to do with The Villages? Nothing.

What about the alleged claim of 6 per 100,000 per year murders? I have not seen 24 murders in The Villages in the 4 years I have lived here. What about the claim of 4 per 1000 aggravated assaults per year? I have not seen 16,000 in the 4 years.

That does seem like a bad example of someone using a concealed weapon to stop a crime in progress. I am all for people with a lot of training having concealed weapons-- especially those who have had some experience being fired upon in real life situations and are not hotheads-- but when someone looks more like a Keystone cop than a retired cop....

There has been one murder and a number of suicides by gun while I have been here over the past nine years or so. I do remember a man shooting up a mail station because of some argument between his mother and her boyfriend. That was quite a long time ago.

[MikeV]

I am a sheepdog and I believe people have the right to be sheep. Why some sheep are so set against us sheepdogs confuses me. The only thing I can attribute it to is ignorance. Those of us who have a CCP have gone through extensive background checks both federal and state wide. We are some of the most law abiding citizens so why demonize us? I respect your opinion to be a sheep so please respect my decision to be a sheepdog.

[Indydealmaker]

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by MikeV

I am a sheepdog and I believe people have the right to be sheep. Why some sheep are so set against us sheepdogs confuses me. The only thing I can attribute it to is ignorance. Those of us who have a CCP have gone through extensive background checks both federal and state wide. We are the some of the most law abiding citizens so why demonize us? I respect your opinion to be a sheep so please respect my decision to be a sheepdog.

Do people know that any veteran with a DD214 can get a Concealed Carry Permit by just paying the application fee and getting fingerprinted? No test, no proficency required. Just pay the fee and get fingerprinted.

The theory obviously is that veteran has been trained in shooting - but for most in The Villages that was 20 to 40 years ago and those are skills that you do lose. If those skills were not ones you lose, police departments and the military would not require proficiency training at the range on a semi-annual basis.

I do not demonize those who carry a pistol. It is unnecessary but do it if you are well-trained and observe the rules and regulations for carrrying it. Brandish it or go into places that are prohibited and find yourself in trouble. Remember the retired police captain in Wesley Chapel. Great sheepdog he was. He will be eating Alpo for quite some time to come.

I do not need a sheepdog. I have one Shepherd and that is all I need.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Do people know that any veteran with a DD214 can get a Concealed Carry Permit by just paying the application fee and getting fingerprinted? No test, no proficency required. Just pay the fee and get fingerprinted.

The theory obviously is that veteran has been trained in shooting - but for most in The Villages that was 20 to 40 years ago and those are skills that you do lose. If those skills were not ones you lose, police departments and the military would not require proficiency training at the range on a semi-annual basis.

I do not demonize those who carry a pistol. It is unnecessary but do it if you are well-trained and observe the rules and regulations for carrrying it. Brandish it or go into places that are prohibited and find yourself in trouble. Remember the retired police captain in Wesley Chapel. Great sheepdog he was. He will be eating Alpo for quite some time to come.

I do not need a sheepdog. I have one Shepherd and that is all I need.

You go. It is nice to see someone else try to talk sense into someone. At least for right now, I am giving up on them. I might just go to the range this afternoon to improve on my skill.

[chiefrose]

Yes, what I was referring to was HR218. I realize that it is a federal law, however, my photo ID issued by state of NJ says Permit to Carry. Even though authorized to carry under LEOSA I still must have the state issued permit. It is just NJ being NJ.

[Carl in Tampa]

Chief, I take it you choose not to carry. That's your choice, and I respect it. I don't know how much your decision was affected by the red tape in New Jersey. (Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there...........snow and all that.)

But if you are now a resident of Florida you can ignore what New Jersey thinks (except for magazine capacity restrictions if you go back there.)

You have the required photo ID from your agency; all you need is a certification that you have qualified TO FLORIDA STANDARDS in the preceding 12 months, and you are compliant with LEOSA.

If you should decide you want to go to the range and get certified, let me know and we will locate the nearest authorized range so you can get it done. You only need 40 rounds to qualify. If you are willing to drive a couple of hours away I know where you can get it done for no cost.

An alternative is to get a Florida Concealed Weapons License. Florida has reciprocity agreements with 33 other states (and a license is not required in Vermont, making 34). The main states excluded are in New England, the Midwest and the West Coast. As you would expect, there is no reciprocity with New Jersey.

In fact, New Jersey even limits the number of rounds out-of-state active duty, and retired, officers may carry in their pistols. Strange............

There are advantages to being LEOSA compliant and having a Florida CCW license for varying situations, but that's a story for another time.

Best wishes Chief,

Carl