[Nightengale212]

Carl, I am just about finished reading the kindle edition book Why Care About Israel ? written by Messianic Jew Sandra Teplinsky. Very interesting and thought provoking content which you may like. There are very detailed reviews provided which give you snips about the book to help decide if this is a book you would want to purchase.

[BarryRX]

While these videos may be simplistic, they do state the one basic truth at the bottom of this conflict......if the Arabs would lay down their guns there would be peace. If the Israelis would lay down their guns there would be no more Israel. I fully agree with Carl.

[NottaVillager]

compared to the fact that Arabs want to kill Jews.

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..And Christians..and homosexuals..and Hindus..and in general ANYBODY who isn't them and who doesn't think like them and believe like them.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Perhaps you can share the results of your research.

On the very day that the British occupying army left the newly created nation of Israel, every Arab nation that abutted Israel sent invading armies to destroy it.

That explains all that came afterward.

The Arabs lost that, and two subsequent wars, which they also started.

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Israel has twice given up land for peace; first the Sinai peninsula and second the Gaza strip. They still don't have peace. They also offered the return of virtually all of the West Bank in exchange for peace. The offer was rejected.

Dennis Prager's analysis is both simple and correct: Arabs want to kill Jews and obliterate the nation of Israel.

Any talk of other disagreements between Israel and other governments over policy are mere sideshows compared to the fact that Arabs want to kill Jews. These events occurred after the Arabs had tried to wipe out Israel.

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Here's something that shows promise for the relationship between Jordan and Israel.

Israel-Jordan sign $500 million natural gas deal | The Times of Israel

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by NottaVillager

compared to the fact that Arabs want to kill Jews.


..And Christians..and homosexuals..and Hindus..and in general ANYBODY who isn't them and who doesn't think like them and believe like them.

I believe this should be SOME Arabs want to kill SOME Jews. The extremists seem to have taken over at times in the Middle East. There have been other extremists who have taken over various countries like with Italy, Russia, and Germany in the period between mid 1925 and 1945. I do not see anyone arguing that all Germans still want to kill all Jews. That was certainly the Nazi State's official policy but they also murdered anyone they believed would be a serious threat to their plans, or had them committed to mental institutions or took some other measure to make sure their voice was not heard.

[NottaVillager]

The myth of the "moderate" or "peaceful" muslims. If there are such people you NEVER hear them speak out. And there are plenty of them here in the USA where they are totally free to speak out and no matter what sort of hate, atrocity or terror is committed the so-called moderate and peace loving muslims keep their mouths shut.

In fact when one of these people attempted to speak out (and I am speaking of the young woman who was invited to speak at Brandeis University) she was SILENCED. So let us be honest. Muslims WANT to kill Jews and they are given full approval by those who won't speak out. Because the ones who won't speak out want it too. They just keep their traps shut about it and let the thugs do their dirty work for them so their hands don't get dirty.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by NottaVillager

The myth of the "moderate" or "peaceful" muslims. If there are such people you NEVER hear them speak out. And there are plenty of them here in the USA where they are totally free to speak out and no matter what sort of hate, atrocity or terror is committed the so-called moderate and peace loving muslims keep their mouths shut.

In fact when one of these people attempted to speak out (and I am speaking of the young woman who was invited to speak at Brandeis University) she was SILENCED. So let us be honest. Muslims WANT to kill Jews and they are given full approval by those who won't speak out. Because the ones who won't speak out want it too. They just keep their traps shut about it and let the thugs do their dirty work for them so their hands don't get dirty.

Common Misconceptions about Muslims | Encountering the World of Islam

I do not believe that is true by-in-large. http://www.examiner.com/article/isla...ainst-violence

[BarryRX]

From a French Newspaper about the Muslim riots in Paris this week:

The anxious Jewish community in the Paris suburb of Sarcelles was left picking up the pieces on Monday a day after being targeted by "anti-Semitic" rioters. The Local visited the town, where some French Jews said they were considering leaving the country.

Shattered glass, a handful of burned out businesses and the presence of dozens of riot police were the clues pointing to the destruction left behind by a mob of pro-Palestinian protesters who turned on the Jewish community in the northern Parisian suburb of Sarcelles on Sunday.

What began as a protest against Israel’s bombing and ground offensive in Gaza quickly turned into a rampage with the so-called "Little Jerusalem" neighborhood in working class Sarcelles as the number one target for rioters. It is one of the centres of France’s Jewish population, which at some 500,000 is the third largest in the world behind Israel and the United States.
In addition to the cars and waste bins set ablaze, several Jewish business were torched, including the Naouri kosher market which was the target of a flash-bang grenade attack in 2012. Rioters also tried to approach a synagogue, before being repelled by riot police.

At least one unconfirmed report stated the building was suffered minor flame damage from a petrol bomb.

As the rioters rampaged through Sarcelles into the early evening, witnesses told The Local they'd heard chants of "Israel, murderers!" and "Hitler for president!"

For the French government, Sunday's violence was clearly an attack on the country's Jews. "Attacking a synagogue, a kosher supermarket, it's pure and simple anti-Semitism, racism," said PM Manuel Valls.

The riot was the third time in eight days a pro-Palestinian demo has degenerated into violence. The first march on July 13th saw protesters attempt to storm two synagogues in Paris, before being beaten back, by riot police and Jewish militants.




The repeat of the violence left some members of the anxious and concerned Jewish community in Sarcelles considering leaving France.

“We’ve been thinking about moving to Israel for some time now,” Daniel Ullmann, 58, a teacher told The Local. “There is a part of France that is very xenophobic. There’s a part of the population that has no liking for foreigners.”

As he spoke to The Local a passerby shouted at him: “Go back to Israel!”, which drew only a sad shrug and knowing grimace from Ullmann.

Jewish people in Sarcelles like Ullman are concerned about what could happen next.

"We don't know if they are coming back. The troublemakers sleep during the day," said Ullmann. "We'll find out tonight."

He said for a long time life has been tranquil between Jews and the other groups that make up the diverse population of town, including its large Muslim community. But now Ullman feels it has once again become a “time of pogroms” where “Jews had better stay at home", unless they’re looking for trouble.

'Young people being manipulated into violence'

Sarcelles includes several poor neighbourhoods and sits to the north of a string of Parisian towns that make up one of the largest concentrations of poverty in the country.

Some observers in Sarcelles told The Local the anti-Semitic violence in France is being fanned by the country’s dire economic situation - with unemployment rates among young people hovering at 25 percent - as well as by Islamists.

“It’s young people, who’ve got no work and aren’t in school, they are the ones being manipulated into this kind of violence,” said journalist André Nahum, 92, a retired doctor and a long-time member of the Sarcelles Jewish community. “It’s Islamists who are at the source of these problems, not just here, but around the world.”

He said leaving Sarcelles for Israel or elsewhere isn’t a solution because the problem is global.

“You stay, you fight,” Nahum said. “Otherwise you are just handing the country over to them.”

The anger the deaths in Gaza has provoked among the Muslim population in Paris’s suburbs is raging, but in Sarcelles a Muslim man who would give only his name as Jamel said Sunday's attacks were wrong and were not perpetrated by local Muslims, who the 39-year-old firefighter says get along with the Jewish community.


“It’s scary. We live in a civilized country,” he said while standing outside the remains of a pharmacy that was torched in the riots. “But it’s wrong, it’s wrong for kids to be killed by Israel. What are they going to do against the Israeli army? Throw rocks at them?”

Marc Knobel, from Jewish umbrella group CRIF also believes it's a mistake to blame the recent rise in anti-Semitism, sparked by the latest Israeli assaulty on Gaza, on Muslims in France.

Instead Knobel says the marginalization and alienation from mainstream French society has led to some youths in the poorer suburbs of French cities like Sarcelles, to identify themselves with the struggle of the Palestinians against Israel.

"It's difficult to determine who are the perpetrators of these anti-Semitic acts in terms of their religion," Knobel told The Local previously.

"The only thing we can say is that they are more often than not from poor suburbs in France and have been victims of racism and discrimination themselves. So they associate themselves with Palestinians and develop anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic views. Some are Muslims, some are not."

Whatever the cause and whoever the perpetrators are, the violence is forcing many French Jews, like Daniel Ullmann, to think about packing up and leaving France.

In May The Local reported that figures revealed 2014 could see a record number of Jews in France leaving for Israel. As many as 5,000 could depart by the end of the year. That has not happened since 1948, according to the Jewish Agency for Israel.

[Rags123]

And then this from the Supreme Ruler of Iran.....a country that the USA is presently in extended negotiations....

"Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, stated on Wednesday that the only solution for the region is the destruction of Israel, and that the armed confrontation must expand beyond Gaza.

Meanwhile, revolutionary guards announced new missiles which could destroy Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense system."

Read more: Iran Leader: Only Solution For Crisis Is Israel's Destruction | The Daily Caller


Let us hope it is just rhetoric !!

[Chi-Town]

Wow, this thread started with Dennis Praeger and has moved to Tucker Carlson (Daily Caller). Just moving along on an endless continuum.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Wow, this thread started with Dennis Praeger and has moved to Tucker Carlson (Daily Caller). Just moving along on an endless continuum.

Is Reuters ok with you....

""Israel's annihilation is the only real cure, but that doesn't mean destroying Jews in this region," he said in his speech, which was posted on his website."

"Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Wednesday called for a referendum canvassing the Arabs and Jews that live in Israel in order to end the "Zionist state", but said until such a vote could be held, armed resistance was necessary."

Iran's supreme leader calls for end to 'murderous' Israeli regime | Reuters

What is factual is factual. Why some must always question facts just from instinct without checking to see if it was made up. It is always MSNBC's fault or Fox's fault....talk about the facts for once.

Sorry...just makes me mad when folks do not take the time to educate and yet still want to have some kind of discussion but only if they like the news.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Wow, this thread started with Dennis Praeger and has moved to Tucker Carlson (Daily Caller). Just moving along on an endless continuum.

What difference does it make who or what network reports facts and direct quotations??