[Aces4]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

94.1% safe and 95% safe with the Moderna vaccine and Pfizer vaccine. With the soon to be emergency approved J&J vaccine, only 66% safe from becoming infected. It could be a real financial BOOST for businesses who adopt that policy. Have you thought about that?

Why would it boost business? If people have been vaccinated, they will be there. They won’t give a darn about who else is there and the non-vaxers never stopped.

[Two Bills]

Every time you turn on your cell phone, computor, make a purchase with a CC. you are being tracked.
What is so bad about a digital passport for covid?
Use your travel passport? You're being tracked.
Welcome to reality!

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Every time you turn on your cell phone, computor, make a purchase with a CC. you are being tracked.
What is so bad about a digital passport for covid?
Use your travel passport? You're being tracked!

The real problem is why is it important for you to know if someone has chosen to vaccinate or not? If you got yours, why do you care? If they determine the vaccine will harm children and they can’t receive it, should we ban them from life?

[ExecChef57]

I do not see what the issue is, the purpose of the vaccine is to get to herd immunity. If you get it and most of the people willing do to why should others be required when the purpose can be met by having willing people get to herd immunity. We should not be requiring others to get vaccinated if they do not wish to. We are or at least were supposed to be a free society. Remember "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Johnsocat

If you ate vaccinated, why does it matter to you if another person isnt'..
You wont catch it because you are protected.
Seems it would be none of your business as there is no effect on you.
You want everyone to be forced to doing things your way and are willing and even desirous of "punishing" those who wont comply with what you want by limiting their personal freedoms. Sounds tyrannical to me.

Let's wait and see what happens. As someone previously reminded us on this thread that children MUST be vaccinated before they can begin school. Those vaccines are mandated for in person learning in public schools. Do you consider that tyrannical too? Think about that.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Scott O

Wow, you really have some pompous words, people should not be entitled to their life back because you demand a vaccine, that really isn’t a vaccine....

Yes, this is what I wish for

Of course it is a vaccine. Why do you feel it is not?

Vaccine
A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. A vaccine typically contains a biological preparation from disease-causing microorganism, or since the beginning of the 21st century, made synthetically that resembles it. Wikipedia

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

So glad there is digital proof of vaccination in the works. Paper proof is so easily forged and is basically worthless.

I want to see vaccination mandated for public transportation, getting on cruise ships, entrance to theme parks, entrance to sporting events, entrance to concerts and so much more. The list is endless. Maybe some of you anti-vaxers will change your minds about getting the shot.

Microsoft, Salesforce and Oracle working on Covid vaccination passport

This is a good idea. Another possibility might be an endorsement on a hard-to-forge driver’s license.

Here’s the thing, though. We are hoping that these vaccines will be once (with two shots) in a lifetime. Think about it, though. When we were kids, we needed smallpox vaccinations every five years. Some vaccinations are once forever. I think tetanus is ten years unless you get wounded. Mumps? Measles? Whooping cough? Haven’t some adults been getting whooping cough even though they were vaccinated when they were little kids?

We’ve been told that this vaccine is once forever, but I’m not sure that is known yet. What if variations such as this South African one keep turning up. Many of us get flu shots every year that cover varieties that experts think are likely to be the worst that year. Maybe in six months there will be a re-jiggered vaccine that does a great job on the South African variety. Maybe we will be getting a new COVID-19 vaccination every year to cover the new varieties. I suspect that the drug companies really hope for that. Phizer and Moderna aren’t making a huge profit off their vaccines at present, but if it becomes yearly, they will raise the price and have a big step up on their competitors.

If this becomes the case, our Apple Wallet might contain a record of our latest vaccination. Then too, it may be that in a few years, everyone with any sense will keep up to date on their COVID-19 vaccinations, while the anti-vaxxers will not. Just as with the flu, if people are on public transportation while sick, they will pass around their sickness to those without vaccinations, and that is just the risk people take. No more need to check. People will either get sick and develop antibodies, most with a light case, or they will not because they were vaccinated. So it goes. Testing for antibodies may become rare except when people are clearly sick and doctors need to know. Hospitals will no longer quarantine patients with COVID-19 any more than they quarantine patients with colds. Healthcare personnel will continue to wash their hands a lot, as they should in any case, and maybe wear masks around patients, but will all be vaccinated themselves as a condition of employment. If patients don’t require the current quarantine conditions, relatives can visit them. It will be much cheaper to treat them. Many people will continue to die of COVID-19, but that is their choice. Many people will self-quarantine if they think they are sick, just as people now may stay home from work or school if they have a bad cold or the flu. People with weak immune systems and pre-existing conditions may choose to avoid crowds during times when infection rates are high, just as they do now, and may choose to wear masks and gloves and be extra careful on public transportation or crowds, and we will all be comfortable with that. People who have an active case may do the same.

Just as many people die of the flu every year, especially the elderly, many will die of Covid-19, and it may be a much larger number. But I’m grateful that it seems that those of us who choose to be vaccinated will have a way to lower our risks a lot.

[Scott O]

So your telling us, especially those of us who have worked to provide public services to everyone during this entire time without fear of going to work and have stayed healthy, that we all need to conform to your fears and if we don’t we are no longer allowed to live our lives in freedom, I don’t think so. If you live in fear it’s your own place...if your getting the so called vaccines to protect yourself, then you really don’t believe it provides protection if you say all need it to protect you...

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by ExecChef57

I do not see what the issue is, the purpose of the vaccine is to get to herd immunity. If you get it and most of the people willing do to why should others be required when the purpose can be met by having willing people get to herd immunity. We should not be requiring others to get vaccinated if they do not wish to. We are or at least were supposed to be a free society. Remember "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".

This is the perfect scenario for certain groups to take full control of your life. They will never let it go.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Aces4

The real problem is why is it important for you to know if someone has chosen to vaccinate or not? If you got yours, why do you care? If they determine the vaccine will harm children and they can’t receive it, should we ban them from life?

I don't give a Tinkers cuss whether you or anyone have been vaccinated.
I just don't get this obsession with being tracked, when it's a daily reality anyway!

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I don't give a Tinkers cuss whether you or anyone have been vaccinated.
I just don't get this obsession with being tracked, when it's a daily reality anyway!

I don’t give a tinkers cuss about that either. You are missing the point which is forcing people to receive the vaccine or be banned from activities. That is the argument, freedom of choice.

[Joe C.]

If everyone gets the vaccine, that means they won’t get COVID. So if I don’t get the vaccine, who cares? They won’t get it.
My wife has been vaccinated, but I won’t. I don’t trust big pharma. The FDA doesn’t test the vaccine, each manufacturer sends in it’s own test data for approval......and they have been known in the past to fudge their data so they can be the first one on the market. It seems that they all came out rather quickly and all at the same time. No thanks.....

[Veiragirl]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

So glad there is digital proof of vaccination in the works. Paper proof is so easily forged and is basically worthless.

I want to see vaccination mandated for public transportation, getting on cruise ships, entrance to theme parks, entrance to sporting events, entrance to concerts and so much more. The list is endless. Maybe some of you anti-vaxers will change your minds about getting the shot.

Microsoft, Salesforce and Oracle working on Covid vaccination passport

AND CONTINUE TO WEAR MASKS.NO ONE LIKES IT BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT AND IT DOES HELP.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I don’t give a tinkers cuss about that either. You are missing the point which is forcing people to receive the vaccine or be banned from activities. That is the argument, freedom of choice.

That is your freedom of choice.
Live with it.

[Notsocrates]

Is anyone old enough to remember smallpox? The last diagnosed case in the world was in the 1970's. Totally eradicated!! This could not have been achieved if vaccination had been optional.