[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ExecChef57

I do not see what the issue is, the purpose of the vaccine is to get to herd immunity. If you get it and most of the people willing do to why should others be required when the purpose can be met by having willing people get to herd immunity. We should not be requiring others to get vaccinated if they do not wish to. We are or at least were supposed to be a free society. Remember "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness".

What? You can not be serious. Who in their right mind would WANT to get Covid so they help our population reach herd immunity naturally? Maybe that quack Dr. Scott Altas? Shaking my head.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I don't give a Tinkers cuss whether you or anyone have been vaccinated.
I just don't get this obsession with being tracked, when it's a daily reality anyway!

Anti-trackers = anti-vaxxers.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Byte1

On the other hand, if you are scared of someone else that may or may not be vaccinated, then YOU stay home.

No..you see the goal here is to get everyone vaccinated so the world can open up again...not so they can continue to sit home. So what is best for all....not just you..is to get vaccinated and get out there and live again without worry. Its not a hard concept...kind of like the store, no mask..no entry.....you don't like it. Go elsewhere

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I don’t give a tinkers cuss about that either. You are missing the point which is forcing people to receive the vaccine or be banned from activities. That is the argument, freedom of choice.

But it most certainly is your choice. It is your choice not to partake in activities and all sorts of other daily life events that can help to spread the virus. Folks that are vaccinated will not spread the virus and therefore should be able to partake in all activities life has to offer.

I see I have hurt some feelings here and so sorry you do not see it my way. But.....that is the way it is. My wishes may not come to fruition so there is that, if that makes you feel any better.

Over and out. I'm done with this conversation.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Service workers have gone to work WEARING MASKS, keeping their distance as much as feasible and washing their hands more than ever before. This is NOT living a normal life if you ask me. Also, I do not believe for one moment that most people have not feared going to work and dealing with the general public. An individual would have to be very uninformed to do that.

Oh my, the sky is falling!

Maybe what this country NEEDS is for more to get infected and either perish or survive. Is living life in fear, really LIVING? Just a thought, not wishing for an apocalypse.

[kathyspear]

Originally Posted by toeser

"Paper proof is so easily forged and is basically worthless."

Except I am going to have to be able to use my paper proof to get my digital proof.

It is my understanding that the CDC (ie THE FEDERAL GOVT) knows who is getting vaccinated. Didn't we have to give our SSN when we registered online? If so, we will not be using the little card they gave us (which is easily forged) to prove we got our shots.

kathy

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Anti-trackers = anti-vaxxers.

Not at all. No matter how many times you assert this, being against trackers and for privacy and freedom has NOTHING TO DO with being anti-vax!

(And with that, the ignore list becomes one larger)

[Packer Fan]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Anti-trackers = anti-vaxxers.

I had read this whole thread, and until you made that statement, I thought you were ok, just a little misguided. I was wrong- why would you make such a statement? I know plenty of people, including myself that are getting the vaccine, very pro vaccine - I am married to a nurse who is already vaccinated. HOWEVER, I value my personal privacy and liberty too. I am totally anti tracking - have you heard of HIPA? Have you heard of the right to privacy? I believe that with the correct education and enough time, we can get people to take the vaccine to reach herd immunity. We don't need tracking.

[Andyb]

You no nothing of Constitutional rights.
I hope you are kidding, because no one can be that ignorant of our rights.

[dhdallas]

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are naturally immune.

Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response. - WHO (World Health Organization)

People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated - WHO (World Health Organization)

Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects. - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man. - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy. - International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations

Thus, for those who have had COVID, getting vaccinated is not only pointless but potentially dangerous. - David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I get that and regular influenza could take me out but the flu vaccine has a lower efficacy that the Covid vaccine and not everyone will get the flu shots. They should should be mandated to take medications on my behalf? This country shouldn’t go there, IMHO.

There is a difference between a government mandate and a mandate or rule by a private company or corporation. if you are using, as a customer, a particular business, then you need to follow their rules.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I'm really surprised at the difference of opinion some people have about proving, a person has been vaccinated. We already have discussed that paper "proof" can easily be forged. Why not have a fail safe method of proof that can not be forged? I am truly appreciative that this opportunity will exist for those of us who have been vaccinated.

Voting is MADE more reliable with paper backup. On average, paper should be a more SECURE ID than digital. Digital is designed to be more convenient - it is, likely, less secure.

[Bill14564]

Oh how we need a “misinformation “ or “not commonly accepted medical opinion” or “ignorant and likely to get you killed” tag.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Doesn’t make sense... if one is vaccinated what difference is it if an unvaccinated person sits next to you on a cruise ship? Isn’t one completely protected from the person who elects not to be vaccinated. Why would one care one way or the other?

Scientists are STILL researching how "COMPLETE" the protection is to a vaccinated person. You could possibly (?) get it again and you might (?) be able to spread it. Only time and research can tell for sure and the virus is mutating.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And the fact is lost on you that why do you care if someone else is vaccinated? You are safe if you have been, remember? It could be a real financial loser for businesses which adopt that policy. Many of us wouldn’t patronize them even though we had been vaccinated.

It could also be profitable because socially conscious people may patronize those businesses.