[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

BS. Of all the stores REQUIRING masks, how many people NOT wearing a mask have you seen thrown out of the store, arrested, shot, etc???

[lpkruege1]

Originally Posted by thelegges

No worries by the time the cruise ships are up and running, the first vaccine may not be effective for the next strain. And so it begins. There are many who can’t take the vaccine, not won’t, but can’t. Those who are in treatment, pregnancy, or allergic reactions, may never get clearance for the current vaccine. The minute you fill out paperwork for vaccine, and answer YES to
Have you ever had an allergic reaction to any vaccine, or medication
Have you used an epi pen personally, or treated at a healthcare facility for a reaction.
This vaccine is not FDA approved, we do know if it will harm a fetus.
The vaccine will not be given at this time, or maybe never.
If one thinks the vaccine should be mandatory, no matter the situation, so they can get back to their previous Covid life, think again. If giving the vaccine might cause harm or death that would fall under the code of ethics to patients
Do No Harm.

I have continued to live my life, since last March, with very little change. I flew the first commercial flight after 911, so flying during the last 10 months has not been a life changing experience. Tomorrow is not guaranteed, so at least I didn’t waste all these months sitting in my house. Then again the new pastime of chasing the vaccine is getting people more screen time, and out of the house to drive 5 miles, or 500 miles to get in line. So I guess that’s a bonus

As far as digital imprinting, that will be the next money making scheme, ligit or not so much

You have to ask yourself. Do you really trust your government that much that they could implant a digital chip in you and they won't abuse it? For those that want to mandate a vaccine, are they willing to personally go to the families of people that had reactions to the vaccine and died to comfort them? Oh sorry but it was for the greater good? Talk about selfish. What if your child dies, or grandchild? This is still a free country and this sounds more about controlling people than combating a virus.

[Sherrilee]

Ok just because you got the vaccine you can still get covid... congressman in Ma got it after second dose of vaccine. Although they say lesser serious reaction you still quarrentine 10 days. I feel we will never be “back to normal” this is with us forever as is the flu and other viruses. Hopefully if mose are vaccinated it will slow the progression of spread and have heard immunity

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Sherrilee

Ok just because you got the vaccine you can still get covid... congressman in Ma got it after second dose of vaccine. Although they say lesser serious reaction you still quarrentine 10 days. I feel we will never be “back to normal” this is with us forever as is the flu and other viruses. Hopefully if mose are vaccinated it will slow the progression of spread and have heard immunity

He must have been in the 5% that did not gain immunity from 2 doses. For the other 95%, you CAN'T get it if you are vaccinated.

Or, we just go on, living life normally, with the knowledge that there is yet another among hundreds, of deadly diseases out there, none of which has triggered such an overkill reaction.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Interview this morning with George Stephanopoulos and the president of Moderna.
Moderna stated that we could possibly reach herd immunity with 50 to 70% vaccinations.He hopes that percentage will be by June. So the myth of 100% vaccinated may not be true. But who to believe the President of Moderna, or a posters on TOTV, that those who can’t take the vaccine should be hunted down. I’m going with Moderna President and Physician

Six months from now I hope there is more intelligent conversations on this site other than vaccines and masks.

Well said. As far as "more intelligent conversations on this site", don't hold your breath.

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by Johnsocat

If you ate vaccinated, why does it matter to you if another person isnt'..
You wont catch it because you are protected.
Seems it would be none of your business as there is no effect on you.
You want everyone to be forced to doing things your way and are willing and even desirous of "punishing" those who wont comply with what you want by limiting their personal freedoms. Sounds tyrannical to me.

Well said. OP sounds very Orwellian to me. I can't believe someone would even say "so what if you have allergies, isn't that what epi pens are for"? OMG the lack of knowledge.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So, do people walk around with "digital proof" they had the polio vaccine, or pertussis??? The following from the CDC lists diseases with an available vaccine. Together these illnesses have killed hundreds of millions yet they are not "mandated" and no one has suggested we carry "digital proof" of any. In the scheme of things, as pandemics go, COVID is a minor player. It is the "flavor of the month", what amazes me is the reaction to COVID is so much different than avian flu, or SARS or MERS or swine flu. It has been a polarizing force, given birth to a new religion (the holy mask), changed social interactions, changed education and the workplace. Now there are those that would sacrifice our rights and freedoms for what they perceiveas a little safety, enforced by the government, and them cram their ideas down everyone else's throat. Seig heil!

List of Vaccines Used in United States
Links to Clinical info about the vaccine

Adenovirus
Anthrax
AVA (BioThrax)
Cholera
Vaxchora
Diphtheria
DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
Td (Tenivac, generic)
DT (-generic-)
Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Hepatitis A
HepA (Havrix, Vaqta)
HepA-HepB (Twinrix)
Hepatitis B
HepB (Engerix-B, Recombivax HB, Heplisav-B)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
HepA-HepB (Twinrix)
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Hib (ActHIB, PedvaxHIB, Hiberix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
HPV9 (Gardasil 9) (For scientific papers, the preferred abbreviation is 9vHPV)
Seasonal Influenza (Flu) only
IIV* (Afluria, Fluad, Flublok, Flucelvax, FluLaval, Fluarix, Fluvirin, Fluzone, Fluzone High-Dose, Fluzone Intradermal)
*There are various acronyms for inactivated flu vaccines – IIV3, IIV4, RIV3, RIV4 and ccIIV4.
LAIV (FluMist)
Japanese Encephalitis
JE (Ixiaro)
Measles
MMR (M-M-R II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
Meningococcal
MenACWY (Menactra, Menveo)
MenB (Bexsero, Trumenba)
Mumps
MMR (M-M-R II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
Pertussis
DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Pneumococcal
PCV13 (Prevnar13)
PPSV23 (Pneumovax 23)
Polio
Polio (Ipol)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Rabies
Rabies (Imovax Rabies, RabAvert)
Rotavirus
RV1 (Rotarix)
RV5 (RotaTeq)
Rubella
MMR (M-M-R II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
Shingles
RZV (Shingrix)
Smallpox
Vaccinia (ACAM2000):
Tetanus
DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
Td (Tenivac, generic)
DT (-generic-)
Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
Tuberculosis
Typhoid Fever
Typhoid Oral (Vivotif)
Typhoid Polysaccharide (Typhim Vi)
Varicella
VAR (Varivax)
MMRV (ProQuad):
Yellow Fever
YF (YF-Vax)

You are absolutely correct. Sadly the Covid virus has been used as a tool by both politicians and the media.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Bev Fricks

I can tell you this! I am an RN and I do COVID-19 vaccinations. I have access to the cards that YOU think can be forged!! How dare you?? We are professionals and NO ONE where I work would ever forge anything! We have licenses to protect. These cards are not left out to the public, just like the vaccines, they are protected by lock and key. Let's tattoo it on your forehead so you feel better.
Bev, RN.

Maybe where you work they are extra careful, but no doubt, if fraud could hapoen- it will.

[lpkruege1]

First off this is the link to MIT.
Will you have to carry a vaccine passport on your phone? | MIT Technology Review

There's a lot more to the article but here is the point you should be aware of. Immunization doesn’t mean safety
While several vaccines appear highly effective at preventing symptoms of covid-19, we don’t know whether they stop people from catching and spreading the virus asymptomatically. Trials of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine suggested it may limit transmission from asymptomatic carriers, but Pfizer and Moderna’s trials didn’t regularly test participants for the virus if they didn’t have symptoms.

More data is needed to prove conclusively that vaccination prevents you from giving covid-19 to other people, and how long immunity lasts. It’s also important to remember that what’s true for one vaccine may not be true for another.

Without these crucial pieces of information, vaccination credentials only prove that you received a vaccine on a particular date—not that you do not have and cannot catch the disease. In the meantime, a negative covid test remains the best evidence that you’re not contagious. And since tests are far from perfect, you should still follow public health guidance about limiting spread whenever you can.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

That is exactly correct. I (anyone) have the right to refuse to be vaccinated. My body, my choice. My right to make this choice is in the SAME paragraph of the constitution where a woman can choose to have an abortion. Go look it up - it's right there in plain text.

And don't think about arguing that failure to get vaccinated puts others at risk. Getting an abortion is 100% lethal to someone else. This stupid virus is weak and has only a 0.3% chance of death and most of those are the very old and sick.

I dont think most people are in agreement with the 2nd half of your post...or at least in the way it was said.
The first half...you are right- you may not have to get the shot...your bod-your choice....you may just be excluded from things....your choice.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by lpkruege1

First off this is the link to MIT.
Will you have to carry a vaccine passport on your phone? | MIT Technology Review

There's a lot more to the article but here is the point you should be aware of. Immunization doesn’t mean safety
While several vaccines appear highly effective at preventing symptoms of covid-19, we don’t know whether they stop people from catching and spreading the virus asymptomatically. Trials of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine suggested it may limit transmission from asymptomatic carriers, but Pfizer and Moderna’s trials didn’t regularly test participants for the virus if they didn’t have symptoms.

More data is needed to prove conclusively that vaccination prevents you from giving covid-19 to other people, and how long immunity lasts. It’s also important to remember that what’s true for one vaccine may not be true for another.

Without these crucial pieces of information, vaccination credentials only prove that you received a vaccine on a particular date—not that you do not have and cannot catch the disease. In the meantime, a negative covid test remains the best evidence that you’re not contagious. And since tests are far from perfect, you should still follow public health guidance about limiting spread whenever you can.

There is still so much that they don't know about the virus and about the vaccine. I think people have to weigh the information and decide for themselves what they feel is appropriate and the self righteous need to mind their own business because it is just possible that they may be wrong.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Scott O

Yes it is, and a lot of you believe you have the right to block our rights...I don’t think so..

Just as a very small example...a restaurant owner who has finally got things up and running postcovid, is now serving...do you really think they are going to want patrons that have not had their vaccinated.
I know, everyone is gonna to yell... "there are rules" etc,etc...but let's face these businesses will do what they want. There may be signs that won't allow you
.....js

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And what does a penicillin allergy have to do with a synthetic messenger RNA vaccine???? I once tripped over my own feet, so now I'm afraid to walk (Actually that makes more sense than a PCN allergy)

Mean....

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Just as a very small example...a restaurant owner who has finally got things up and running postcovid, is now serving...do you really think they are going to want patrons that have not had their vaccinated.
I know, everyone is gonna to yell... "there are rules" etc,etc...but let's face these businesses will do what they want. There may be signs that won't allow you
.....js

They have been doing it for months

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by lpkruege1

You have to ask yourself. Do you really trust your government that much that they could implant a digital chip in you and they won't abuse it? For those that want to mandate a vaccine, are they willing to personally go to the families of people that had reactions to the vaccine and died to comfort them? Oh sorry but it was for the greater good? Talk about selfish. What if your child dies, or grandchild? This is still a free country and this sounds more about controlling people than combating a virus.

Total BS!