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anothersteve 10-24-2019 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1690905)
What I find absolutely stunning and staggering, are those that complain about a "leaning," while having no problem with outright and proven...blatant lying & hypocrisy. :oops:

Someone please help me try to understand...why is that?

Personally, and recognizing that honesty/ethics/integrity are out of fashion in some circles, I'll take a 'leaning' (in any direction)...over vicious, outrageous and purposely lying.
:ohdear:

We are still talking about trust in the news correct? Up until now it has been a fairly civil discussion without any condescending attitudes towards differing opinions on one's preferred "news" sources.
Steve

redwitch 10-24-2019 11:12 PM

I gave up on news in the 80s. My disillusionment occurred when Janet Cooke (Cook?) reported the story of the child heroin addict in the Post and repeated in the NYT. When it was shown to be fabricated and the Pulitzer had to be returned, I understood that news had to be taken with a grain of salt and fact checked as much as possible. Have felt that way ever since.

I don’t want a reporter’s opinions. I want the facts. I can make my own determinations from that. Today, I try to hear at least two sources of opposing sides before coming to any conclusions. Online, it is pretty much AP News for me. At least they tell me at the end of the article if a commentary or a news story. And I miss Al Jazeera.

As one of my favorite news reporters once said, “Journalists were never intended to be the cheerleaders of society, the conductors of applause, the sycophants. Tragically, that is their assigned role in authoritarian societies but not here — not yet.” Sadly, we have finally reached the not yet stage.

Bay Kid 10-25-2019 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1690889)
Excellent post Mr. Franklin! Almost all, no probably closer to MOST, news stories have a basis in fact, but they are skewed by which political party is providing an analysis.

FACT CHECK EVERYTHING.

But who is in charge of Fact Check? Is that really true? I guess it is about the loss of trust.

billethkid 10-25-2019 09:10 AM

They are all guilty of questionable reporting/reading.
They have a tendency to look at an issue through a straw and then report as a general condition.

A riot on a street corner is focused on very tightly presenting only the mayhem within the scope of the straw.....as folks nearby go about their normal business.

If they were looking at the side of an elephant (as through the straw) the report would most likely focus on why the world is all of a sudden gray!!

Velvet 10-25-2019 09:12 AM

I’ve started to listen to the news channels mostly as comedy for our entertainment.

billethkid 10-25-2019 09:21 AM

PS....let us not forget what they do not report, for various reasons, as a factor in measuring the accuracy!!

karostay 10-25-2019 09:39 AM

Daily Sun perfect example :shrug:

Bucco 10-25-2019 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1691028)
PS....let us not forget what they do not report, for various reasons, as a factor in measuring the accuracy!!

Absolutely and without a doubt !!!!!! Maybe one of the most important things to consider when choosing a news source.

JackRussell 10-25-2019 05:30 PM

I hear it's fake.

TexaninVA 10-25-2019 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1690964)
I gave up on news in the 80s. My disillusionment occurred when Janet Cooke (Cook?) reported the story of the child heroin addict in the Post and repeated in the NYT. When it was shown to be fabricated and the Pulitzer had to be returned, I understood that news had to be taken with a grain of salt and fact checked as much as possible. Have felt that way ever since.

I don’t want a reporter’s opinions. I want the facts. I can make my own determinations from that. Today, I try to hear at least two sources of opposing sides before coming to any conclusions. Online, it is pretty much AP News for me. At least they tell me at the end of the article if a commentary or a news story. And I miss Al Jazeera.

As one of my favorite news reporters once said, “Journalists were never intended to be the cheerleaders of society, the conductors of applause, the sycophants. Tragically, that is their assigned role in authoritarian societies but not here — not yet.” Sadly, we have finally reached the not yet stage.

Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar which is hardcore Islamist ...ie Muslim Brotherhood.

redwitch 10-26-2019 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1691139)
Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar which is hardcore Islamist ...ie Muslim Brotherhood.

I’m well aware of that but they did an excellent job of OBJECTIVELY reporting the news. Only rarely was any bias shown and most of that was anti UAE.

Madelaine Amee 10-26-2019 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1691139)
Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar which is hardcore Islamist ...ie Muslim Brotherhood.

Al Jazeera was - is - an excellent news source. Research something and get your facts straight before making statements like that.

Al Jazeera - Wikipedia

Madelaine Amee 10-26-2019 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1691183)
I’m well aware of that but they did an excellent job of OBJECTIVELY reporting the news. Only rarely was any bias shown and most of that was anti UAE.

Banging your head up against a brick wall Redwitch.

eweissenbach 10-26-2019 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1691186)
Al Jazeera was - is - an excellent news source. Research something and get your facts straight before making statements like that.

Al Jazeera - Wikipedia

Good example of how misinformation gets spread on the internet.

Taltarzac725 10-26-2019 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1691186)
Al Jazeera was - is - an excellent news source. Research something and get your facts straight before making statements like that.

Al Jazeera - Wikipedia

Do agree there. :a040:

Ecuadog 10-26-2019 08:58 AM

The Associated Press, the BBC and Al Jazeera are the best at unbiased reporting of the news, IMHO.

TexaninVA 10-26-2019 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1691186)
Al Jazeera was - is - an excellent news source. Research something and get your facts straight before making statements like that.

Al Jazeera - Wikipedia

My facts are straight ... Al Jazeera is controlled by and a mouthpiece for Qatar and the MB.

Velvet 10-26-2019 12:38 PM

There is no way I would completely trust a source that is not from a country I would be comfortable in.

I would be prepared to hear them out, always remembering where they come from.

Two Bills 10-26-2019 01:15 PM

Watching reports from stations like Al Jazeera News, and RT (Russian TV) gives another prosective on how events are seen from a different viewpoint, and see how much they contradict, or in many cases agree with your own stations perceived idea of events.
I find those stations most informative.

TexaninVA 10-26-2019 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1691303)
Watching reports from stations like Al Jazeera News, and RT (Russian TV) gives another prosective on how events are seen from a different viewpoint, and see how much they contradict, or in many cases agree with your own stations perceived idea of events.
I find those stations most informative.

Yes, I agree. Most informative.

Al Jazeera is well known for its Islamist leanings. It makes sense since the Emir of Qatar is footing the bill.

Al Jazeera: The Terrorist Propaganda Network :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism

Sheik Yusef Al-Qaradawi has a program with a huge audience, about twice the size of America’s largest radio host. The Sheik gives advice on the finer point of Sharia law. You should listen to it sometime.

Velvet 10-26-2019 01:37 PM

I can’t wait... I’ve lived all my life without his advice up to now.

TexaninVA 10-26-2019 05:24 PM

The source is factual and well-documented. You can lead a horse to water but can’t make him drink.

Taltarzac725 10-27-2019 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1690575)

People do make mistakes. It is when it is intentional to fit an agenda that bugs me. And that usually involves them kowtowing to their employer's employer or getting fired.

The power of the press involves those can now afford to own one of these massive enterprises.

Aces4 10-27-2019 08:53 AM

Sure and unicorns too! :1rotfl:

Velvet 10-27-2019 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1691448)

The power of the press involves those can now afford to own one of these massive enterprises.

Or Facebook, or Google or Apple. Isn’t it wonderful to have that kind of power?

Gary Moscowitz 10-27-2019 08:16 PM

News used to be just the news! Now it’s more who can sway opinion more. Going back more than a few hrs. major news stations would always identify “editorial views” vs straight news. Now everything is opinion! SAD!

Rwirish 10-28-2019 04:59 AM

Yes it is just you.

jedalton 10-28-2019 05:11 AM

try One America News
 
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1690553)
I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

try One America News

SERENITY52 10-28-2019 05:14 AM

Biased to the left
 
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1690553)
I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

News media have become very biased regardless of its form. The MSM is truly FAKE news.

Love2Swim 10-28-2019 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SERENITY52 (Post 1691554)
News media have become very biased regardless of its form. The MSM is truly FAKE news.

Are you referring to MSN news? If so, mediaBiasFactCheck says that MSN has a slight to moderate liberal bias. I would hardly call it "Fake" news.

For the record, they also say that FOX news is moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

dennisgavin 10-28-2019 05:29 AM

I find FOX news to be pretty accurate. Somehow I think I am going to be slammed...…

yourjoy 10-28-2019 05:39 AM

I listen to NPR and the BBC. I read Reuter’s and AP news. I think all 4 are trusted news sources.

rlcooper70 10-28-2019 06:01 AM

A 1949 Law requiring the "news" to present both sides of every issue was overturned by a Justice Department ruling in1987 - instigated by Dick Cheney's desire to allow his friends to present "Partisan News" and that is what we have today. NPR presents both sides but most of the presentations are meant to engage and "convince" the viewer. Sorry.

If you never watch the news again you can be informed by reading Foreign Affairs, the magazine. It "breaks down" the news and comes out every two months.

ts12755 10-28-2019 06:18 AM

Amazon's Washington Post portrayed Al Bagdaddi, the ISIS leader killed as Jesus Christ himself... Shame on that newspaper and its American and Christian hatred.

Bay Kid 10-28-2019 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1691571)
Amazon's Washington Post portrayed Al Bagdaddi, the ISIS leader killed as Jesus Christ himself... Shame on that newspaper and its American and Christian hatred.

So sad. They probably never even opened a Bible.

WelchNH 10-28-2019 06:47 AM

Most "online news" is a victim of 24/7 innovations- news has drifted towards "news+entertainment".All the TV "opinion" shows are not news- they are just [biased] opinions. I still trust most reputable print sources- but even there, the consumer must be discerning in what (and who) to believe. Fast breaking stories usually change as more facts are learned. Unfortunately for democracy, there is less "trust" in all institutions. This leads to "I'll only trust certain ideologies, politicians, etc". This leads to a weakening of democratic values- it's how democracies evolve to autocracies. A good book on this is "How Democracies Die". Finally, if you can't be bothered to read, do 'critical thinking', or vote- then you'll get the leaders you deserve. It's too easy to blame politicians when the problem is low information voters

Taltarzac725 10-28-2019 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ts12755 (Post 1691571)
Amazon's Washington Post portrayed Al Bagdaddi, the ISIS leader killed as Jesus Christ himself... Shame on that newspaper and its American and Christian hatred.

I read that. They claimed he was a religious scholar and a terrorist. I no where saw anything comparing him to Jesus Christ.

anothersteve 10-28-2019 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1691586)
I read that. They claimed he was a religious scholar and a terrorist. I no where saw anything comparing him to Jesus Christ.

Washington Post's headline called Baghdadi an "austere religious scholar at the helm of Islamic State". Before it was retracted.

Steve

Bucco 10-28-2019 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1691586)
I read that. They claimed he was a religious scholar and a terrorist. I no where saw anything comparing him to Jesus Christ.

People just say stuff to rile. Factual info has no place. Like I was recently called "human scum", and you sort of just understand the source and what our country has become.

If anyone cares, the big deal is simply that he was referred to as a "religious scholar" and that set off h extremists. Post has since, but it never matters to those folks, apologized an said it was bad judgment using such headline.

Certainly not appropriate and out of line, but, as always, a vicious meanspirited response.

There are some who spend much of their day looking for conspiracy theories or something to hate

Marykschulz 10-28-2019 07:44 AM

News
 
News may or may not be real depending on its source. Some television personalities are not journalists, just entertainers, especially on cable channels. PBS has always been known as a nonpartisan source of real news. I am also confident in the major network news, ABC, CBS, and NBC.


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