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Bogie Shooter 10-29-2019 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 1691838)
Good post, maybe what we need is a show called FACT CHECK, that actually does just THAT!

FactCheck.org - A Project of The Annenberg Public Policy Center

Bucco 10-29-2019 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1691864)

Thanks for the link, but it is bit unfair of you to confuse so many with factual information.

linda.gnov@gmail.com 10-29-2019 08:22 AM

Except for store coupons
 
Waste of money to buy the Village Sun....not really the news...just all the pleasant.....this place is so awesome news...in order to SELL MORE HOUSES.

Bogie Shooter 10-29-2019 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by linda.gnov@gmail.com (Post 1691894)
Waste of money to buy the Village Sun....not really the news...just all the pleasant.....this place is so awesome news...in order to SELL MORE HOUSES.

Did you buy?

BTW, from TOTV Guidelines:
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kayak 10-29-2019 08:51 AM

My favorite news source is The Patriot Post. I signed up for their daily email so I get my news right to my inbox. This is the one I trust.
You can search for them on the web.

anothersteve 10-29-2019 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by linda.gnov@gmail.com (Post 1691894)
Waste of money to buy the Village Sun....not really the news...just all the pleasant.....this place is so awesome news...in order to SELL MORE HOUSES.

Nice first post. :ohdear:
Steve

jebartle 10-29-2019 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1691729)
I listened this afternoon to Richard Engel reporting from Syria on the killing of Baghdaddi and how it was accomplished. It actually is somewhat different from what we are being told either by the news sources or from the White House. To have finally found this very terrible person and to have finished him off should be the whole story, it does not need spinning by either side - but spin it they will and we are left to fact search the truth for ourselves.

WHO is spinning, WH, news source or Richard Engel, hmmmm! Only the wizard knows!

Love2Swim 10-29-2019 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kayak (Post 1691902)
My favorite news source is The Patriot Post. I signed up for their daily email so I get my news right to my inbox. This is the one I trust.
You can search for them on the web.

I did search and this is what Media fact check says about Patriot Post:
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

In other words, it is a biased news source, not to be trusted.

Two Bills 10-29-2019 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by linda.gnov@gmail.com (Post 1691894)
Waste of money to buy the Village Sun....not really the news...just all the pleasant.....this place is so awesome news...in order to SELL MORE HOUSES.

The newspaper owner is also The Developer.
Not likely to run a story calling the place a dump, and you would be better off buying somewhere else are they?
Any way, my wife likes the crossword, house sales, or no house sales!!

Bucco 10-29-2019 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1691827)
Describing Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi as an “austere religious scholar” is not related to so-called fake news or bias etc.

Rather, it’s WaPo’s unwillingness to accurately describe who he was.

He was the epitome … literally … of a Radical Is*lamic Terrorist, which is a largely forbidden term.

He was the Caliph (i.e combination of a Pope & King) who was the head guy for ISIS (Is*lamic State of Iraq and Syria). Hence, the WaPo simply chose to deliberately obfuscate who he was.

Great job by the US military and intel community by the way. I especially liked the “hero dog.” That snarling dog’s face was the last thing the Baghdadi saw on this earth and likely is what prompted him to hit the detonator.

Interesting......

Here we have a story that is 100% accurate, but with. A very questionable headline.

Last night and this morning, regarding a patriotic war hero testifying before congress today, on one of the most watched networks, they are questioning his patriotism, suggesting he may be a double agent, etc, and the WH is in full character assisination mode. So, in this case, NO FACTS, just attack for some reason.

I will take the source with facts and truth.

Polar Bear 10-29-2019 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1691906)
I did search and this is what Media fact check says...

Honest question...who checks the fact checkers for accuracy, bias, etc.?

Nucky 10-29-2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1691926)
Honest question...who checks the fact checkers for accuracy, bias, etc.?

Bingo! Give that Bear a Cigar!

I have a feeling someone has the answer PB all we have to do is wait a bit. :read: CARNAC THE MAGNIFICENT will be here with the answer shortly! I wish I had the answer?? I dunt! :duck:

anothersteve 10-29-2019 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1691936)
Bingo! Give that Bear a Cigar!

I have a feeling someone has the answer PB all we have to do is wait a bit. :read: CARNAC THE MAGNIFICENT will be here with the answer shortly! I wish I had the answer?? I dunt! :duck:

Even though I'm sure I'm not Carnack, here goes something.
The Facts About Fact-Checkers | The Heritage Foundation
Who Is Fact Checking The Media Fact Checkers?
SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research

More to follow I'm sure

Steve

dewilson58 10-29-2019 11:02 AM

I think, if you watch national news and want to know what is going on................you need to watch both a right-wing and a left-wing channels and the "truth" is somewhere in between.


:pray:

Velvet 10-29-2019 11:09 AM

I agree.

TexaninVA 10-29-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1691918)
Interesting......

Here we have a story that is 100% accurate, but with. A very questionable headline.

Last night and this morning, regarding a patriotic war hero testifying before congress today, on one of the most watched networks, they are questioning his patriotism, suggesting he may be a double agent, etc, and the WH is in full character assisination mode. So, in this case, NO FACTS, just attack for some reason.

I will take the source with facts and truth.

Would be best not to inject politics into this discussion and instead stick to the topic of the thread

Bucco 10-29-2019 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1691953)
Would be best not to inject politics into this discussion and instead stick to the topic of the thread

Topic is news coverage and I agree with you.

I am comparing critiquing a headline and ignoring the accuracy of the story...

To

A manufactured story with no facts with much twisted information.

Fair, actually not fair.....broadcasting on a news network things that are not true simply to go after the character of a hero vet serving his country and broadcasting as if true.....well, THAT serves as a great example of cheap and sham journalism, from a source oft quoted on this very forum.

My reference to the WH seems fair, as a number of folks have done so already, and much of what is coming from there, if not all began on that same network.

NOT political unless you see it somewhere.........WH coverage of the killing of a very bad man has been referenced and never challanged by anyone.

Not discussing politics.....speaking to NEWS coverage or lack there of which is the absolute subject here.

I cannot imagine discussing news coverage without speaking to phoney and false broadcasts.

Taltarzac725 10-29-2019 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1691926)
Honest question...who checks the fact checkers for accuracy, bias, etc.?

You usually can check this for yourself by doing some research. You do have the world at your fingertips.

Bucco 10-29-2019 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1691926)
Honest question...who checks the fact checkers for accuracy, bias, etc.?

GREAT QUESTION, AND for me, I never ever have used fact checkers except a few years ago as that genre was emerging.

Much too easy to do your own actually

Bucco 10-29-2019 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1691969)
You usually can check this for yourself by doing some research. You do have the world at your fingertips.

Spot on Tal. Information is available to check accuracy on almost everything, and it is easy to determine who is lying and who is tellng the truth.....IF you wish to.

Taltarzac725 10-29-2019 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1691973)
Spot on Tal. Information is available to check accuracy on almost everything, and it is easy to determine who is lying and who is tellng the truth.....IF you wish to.

I do take into account the person giving out the information's character and reputation. If the leopard has had spots most of its life those will remain no matter how many times that leopard says it has no spots.

Love2Swim 10-29-2019 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1691938)

Wikipedia says The Heritage Foundation is a Conservative Think Tank. And Investors Business Daily is also listed as conservative partisan. Here is a link that talks about legitimate fact checkers:The 6 Best Political Fact-Checking Sites on the Internet

anothersteve 10-29-2019 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1691975)
Wikipedia says The Heritage Foundation is a Conservative Think Tank. And Investors Business Daily is also listed as conservative partisan. Here is a link that talks about legitimate fact checkers:The 6 Best Political Fact-Checking Sites on the Internet

Round and round we go.....where it stops, nobody knows.
Steve

kayak 10-29-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1691906)
I did search and this is what Media fact check says about Patriot Post:
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

In other words, it is a biased news source, not to be trusted.

So you found a biased source that say the Patriot Post is biased. Can't be trusted. End of story. It's not hard to find someone to agree with your disagreement.
The real question is about the truth. Their reporting is truthful and it is my most trusted source of news. Highly recommended.

Bucco 10-29-2019 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kayak (Post 1691980)
So you found a biased source that say the Patriot Post is biased. Can't be trusted. End of story. It's not hard to find someone to agree with your disagreement.
The real question is about the truth. Their reporting is truthful and it is my most trusted source of news. Highly recommended.

Do you know the REAL NAME of any of the writers on this site ?

This used to be called the "Federalist" and you will not be able to find any true or real names of anyone who writes there, which indicates something, but if you wont give your name or use fraud names...well I am out

Madelaine Amee 10-29-2019 02:07 PM

This thread is becoming old, real old and very tiresome. All it proves is that it is impossible to change a mind that is made up! My truth, your truth, who knows, it basically all comes down to what a person wants to believe is true!

Bucco 10-29-2019 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine [B
Amee[/B];1691991]This thread is becoming old, real old and very tiresome. All it proves is that it is impossible to change a mind that is made up! My truth, your truth, who knows, it basically all comes down to what a person wants to believe is true!

One thing from this corner and your point is valid.

WE, the people who live in this country ned to demand the truth, stop tolerating lying from any news source, AND our leaders.

Then we have no need for factcheckers, etc.

Do not accept lying any longer. and think about we go through this. The liars are using us...the method of dividing the country is working because we allow it. We are now in an arena here partisan truth extending has been taken to a new level of outright deceit.

Put blame where it belongs, and put country before party. We are the tools being used for our own destruction..

Velvet 10-29-2019 02:32 PM

In my opinion, we will never agree. Even eyewitnesses sometimes disagree on the color of the car they saw. A victim and a bully will always see things from different perspectives. There are two or more sides to every story. A “hero” in one place is a “terrorist” somewhere else. The best we can do is try to see the same thing from others’ point of view.

jklfairwin 10-29-2019 03:51 PM

Accuracy of news
 
I can't speak about tv news in general, since the only one I occasionally watch is PBS, but most shows people watch are not news, they are opinion, Hannity, Maddow, etc. These, I believe are notoriously unreliable. The best news sources are still the major news services, NYT, WAPO, AP, BBC, etc, which actually have editors and standards, but again, one must be a critical reader.


Critical reading (or listening) is a skill that must be acquired and, unfortunately, it is not well taught in school, if taught at all. News is a competitive business, and there is always a push to be first with a story and honest mistakes frequently occur. The individual internet sites are again notoriously unreliable. Unnamed sources or unnamed high officials are always suspect. All sources and authors should always be checked for accuracy and bias.

But all this said, staying well informed can be time consuming and requires a lot of effort. Hard to find time with golf , pickleball, facebook, etc, but if democracy is to work, it is the duty of all citizens to stay informed.

ColdNoMore 10-29-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1691975)
Wikipedia says The Heritage Foundation is a Conservative Think Tank. And Investors Business Daily is also listed as conservative partisan. Here is a link that talks about legitimate fact checkers:The 6 Best Political Fact-Checking Sites on the Internet

:thumbup:


I posted that same link a couple of times now, but there will always be those that prefer the sources...that meet only their own confirmation bias. :oops:


And it's best to look up something on at least a few of those highly-rated sites...so maybe the truth will sink in.


Facts matter.
:ohdear:

Nucky 10-29-2019 06:56 PM

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I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

Bay Kid, I don't believe I ever saw a Thread with so many Thank You's. Great job bringing up a Great question. I do believe your question boiled down to trust of news sources and wondering if it was just you who felt that way. I think you have received an array of outlooks and responses. I guess the way the news is reported has rubbed off on some of our valued posters and fellow Villagers. The same old garbage reheated and spewed and spun.

I would like to thank you. Your post has somewhat freed me from so much news. I was in a rut. I think balance is the thing that will make watching less painful. Not living this all day every day is a good thing for me and others.

Good Job Bay Kid!

anothersteve 10-29-2019 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1692034)
:thumbup:


but there will always be those that prefer the sources...that meet only their own confirmation bias. :oops:
Facts matter.
:ohdear:

Exactly. :blahblahblah:

Steve

Mumbles 10-29-2019 08:12 PM

My guess is that we have been scrubbed over for too long by "Fake" news. A better term might be "Opinion News". I watch Fox and MSNBC and find that there are so many talking heads, I don't know who to believe. BUT, it's my job as a thinker to FIND OUT what the truth is by doing my own research of facts put forward. In the olden days-when I was in school-- our social studies teacher taught us to debate topics that were quite controversial and to FORGET about wanting to WIN the debate. It's not about winning; it's about learning how to THINK. If the House and Senate would follow that, we'd have SO much more cooperation, negotiation, and bills sent to the Prexy to sign for them to become law.

Bucco 10-30-2019 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mumbles (Post 1692089)
My guess is that we have been scrubbed over for too long by "Fake" news. A better term might be "Opinion News". I watch Fox and MSNBC and find that there are so many talking heads, I don't know who to believe. BUT, it's my job as a thinker to FIND OUT what the truth is by doing my own research of facts put forward. In the olden days-when I was in school-- our social studies teacher taught us to debate topics that were quite controversial and to FORGET about wanting to WIN the debate. It's not about winning; it's about learning how to THINK. If the House and Senate would follow that, we'd have SO much more cooperation, negotiation, and bills sent to the Prexy to sign for them to become law.

You make many good points. I am still in awe over having the bills passed by congress (gun legislation, etc) in February not even allowed to be discussed.

It is correct....it is not about winning, but about a Search for the truth . I know it's out there but so many have turned their back on truth. And as stated on this very forum directly to me...it has become all about winning.

When my country is involved TRUTH, TRUST easily triumphs over winning.

"Most" news organization, thankfully, are set up to insure truth Is printed. Ignoring it to win, as you state, is unpatriotic at best.

ColdNoMore 10-30-2019 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1692070)
Exactly. :blahblahblah:

Steve

You left this part out of your quote of me. :ho:

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1692034)

And it's best to look up something on at least a few of those highly-rated sites...so maybe the truth will sink in.

Facts matter.
:ohdear:


anothersteve 10-30-2019 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1692124)
You left this part out of your quote of me. :ho:

I know.
Steve

Bucco 10-30-2019 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1692125)
I know.
Steve

Point made about a "win" versus honesty

Bay Kid 10-30-2019 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1692066)
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I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

Bay Kid, I don't believe I ever saw a Thread with so many Thank You's. Great job bringing up a Great question. I do believe your question boiled down to trust of news sources and wondering if it was just you who felt that way. I think you have received an array of outlooks and responses. I guess the way the news is reported has rubbed off on some of our valued posters and fellow Villagers. The same old garbage reheated and spewed and spun.

I would like to thank you. Your post has somewhat freed me from so much news. I was in a rut. I think balance is the thing that will make watching less painful. Not living this all day every day is a good thing for me and others.

Good Job Bay Kid!

Thank you. I used to love morning news. Now they all spend the 1st 15 minutes with their own agenda. So sad.

graciegirl 10-30-2019 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1692066)
The Following 14 Users Say Thank You to Bay Kid For This Useful PosT
Aloha1, Blessed2BNTV, Fredster, gadgetmonster, graciegirl, karostay, kcrazorbackfan, manaboutown, MSchad, New Englander, Nucky, Number 10 GI, PugMom, Topspinmo
I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

Bay Kid, I don't believe I ever saw a Thread with so many Thank You's. Great job bringing up a Great question. I do believe your question boiled down to trust of news sources and wondering if it was just you who felt that way. I think you have received an array of outlooks and responses. I guess the way the news is reported has rubbed off on some of our valued posters and fellow Villagers. The same old garbage reheated and spewed and spun.

I would like to thank you. Your post has somewhat freed me from so much news. I was in a rut. I think balance is the thing that will make watching less painful. Not living this all day every day is a good thing for me and others.

Good Job Bay Kid!

That Bay Kid. Came here to see for sure his parents were doing well, liked it and found a place of his own. I have learned so much from this nice fellow. About the Chesapeake Bay, about yummy food, about life and life lessons. One of these days I am gonna shake his hand.

Thank you for your excellent presentation of a worthy subject.

I really think that the three networks; CNN, MSNBC and the largest viewed, Fox News are biased and have strong opinions in their daily "shows". The News we read online, which is where most people "get their news" as I was trying to illustrate with my computer screen shot, RARELY show what happened but give an interpretation at best and almost always at least to me, a biased view. That is why there is so much outrage. Only half of the country agree with what we see repeatedly.

Bucco 10-30-2019 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1692129)
Thank you. I used to love morning news. Now they all spend the 1st 15 minutes with their own agenda. So sad.

I think this thread could hve been great....the thought was great.

Cable news was made for all the things you hate, and I hate. Mixing spin with half facts.

I not watch it except for entertainment value. If you enjoy being up to date, pick up the Times, the Post, or another reputable newspaper and you got it.


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