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Default Over 100,000 people in Chicago are dealing Heroin.

On NBC News tonight was this segment, I haven't seen the others but this alone was shocking to me, who considers drugs to be the largest of society's problems.

How Heroin Flows Over the Border and Into Suburbia - NBC News

Highway 290 going through Chicago is called the Heroin Highway.

It is manufactured in Mexico, and it is distributed from El Paso.

We are losing more and more young people to this addiction.


Why can't we stop the cartels???

There aren't enough jails to hold them.
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Heroin addiction in the suburbs of Chicago has become a much larger problem than it was 10 years ago. Very sad.
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On NBC News tonight was this segment, I haven't seen the others but this alone was shocking to me, who considers drugs to be the largest of society's problems.

How Heroin Flows Over the Border and Into Suburbia - NBC News

Highway 290 going through Chicago is called the Heroin Highway.

It is manufactured in Mexico, and it is distributed from El Paso.

We are losing more and more young people to this addiction.


Why can't we stop the cartels???

There aren't enough jails to hold them.

"HOW MEXICO’S CARTELS ARE BEHIND THE BORDER KID CRISIS"



How Mexico

"Ranchers along the Texas border with Mexico are in fear for their lives and the lives of their families.
The Mexican drug cartels are taking over the border."


TX Border Rancher: Cartels Are Taking Over Open US Border – Politicians Are Lying (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Inevitable if you do not enforce the law on our borders
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The article said that there are 669,000 heroin users in the U.S. and one city alone has 100,000 gang members making a living off them. Add other cities into the mix and that is one labor intensive business.
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The article said that there are 669,000 heroin users in the U.S. and one city alone has 100,000 gang members making a living off them. Add other cities into the mix and that is one labor intensive business.
Are you sure of the number of users, Chi??? I would think there would be more than the figure you quoted in the U.S.,... Because I did recheck on the documented street gang members, exerpt below in quotes;

"Most of the heroin bound for Chicago crosses the border in the El Paso area, Riley said, and is then placed into the hands of local gang members for distribution. “In Chicago, we’ve got 100,000 documented street gang members who largely make their living putting Mexican cartel heroin on the street.”
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the recent effort to change laws so that drug pushing is a "victimless crime" and should receive lighter sentences is just another example of our twisted system. on the contrary, i think it should be considered on a parr with murder for all the lives it ruins, and the toughest sentences should keep these people off the streets forever. the film We Ride to DC shows how the drugs flow in despite all the technology we have at the border. some powerful group obviously does not want the border secured!
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Are you sure of the number of users, Chi??? I would think there would be more than the figure you quoted in the U.S.,... Because I did recheck on the documented street gang members who are Mexican....exerpt below in quotes

"Most of the heroin bound for Chicago crosses the border in the El Paso area, Riley said, and is then placed into the hands of local gang members for distribution. “In Chicago, we’ve got 100,000 documented street gang members who largely make their living putting Mexican cartel heroin on the street.”
The 669,000 number is from the article in your post. Here's the excerpt:

"The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, known as SAMHSA, reports a steady increase in heroin abuse nationwide, with an estimated 669,000 American users in 2012."

A section of the 290 corridor runs through the west side of Chicago which is a haven for gang bangers. I'm not sure about the 100,000 figure. That could be as high as the users number low.
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Chicago had 532 murdered in 2012. Over July 4, 2014 weekend 82 were shot and 14 killed in Chicago. Unbelievable statistics.

Heroin wars on the streets of Chicago had a lot to do with the shootings. 100,000 gang members fighting for control. And we thought Capone era was bad---today's street gangs make Big Al look like a Disney character.
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the recent effort to change laws so that drug pushing is a "victimless crime" and should receive lighter sentences is just another example of our twisted system. on the contrary, i think it should be considered on a parr with murder for all the lives it ruins, and the toughest sentences should keep these people off the streets forever. the film We Ride to DC shows how the drugs flow in despite all the technology we have at the border. some powerful group obviously does not want the border secured!
You identified the root cause of the problem. There are countries that do not have a drug problem. They treat it as a capitol crime with swift and extreme punishment. Usually execution. They know the havoc it will cause and do not allow it. And because the punishment is so severe no one violates that law.
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the recent effort to change laws so that drug pushing is a "victimless crime" and should receive lighter sentences is just another example of our twisted system. on the contrary, i think it should be considered on a parr with murder for all the lives it ruins, and the toughest sentences should keep these people off the streets forever. the film We Ride to DC shows how the drugs flow in despite all the technology we have at the border. some powerful group obviously does not want the border secured!
Agree totally ... another show that gives insight into the destruction caused by selling drugs for profit is "The Wire." After I saw that show I realized the only rational, and effective, solution is capital punishment ... as in swift ... for all who deal drugs. Set a threshold to avoid nickel /dime dealers, but the big guys should be executed.
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Agree totally ... another show that gives insight into the destruction caused by selling drugs for profit is "The Wire." After I saw that show I realized the only rational, and effective, solution is capital punishment ... as in swift ... for all who deal drugs. Set a threshold to avoid nickel /dime dealers, but the big guys should be executed.
Yep, the USA is in great company with North Korea, China, Iran, and Yemen for executing people. All the European countries have abolished it.
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A stoner and junkie population is easier to control. Many want it this way--controlled dependents.

"Independence" is not desirable to this crowd.

"It’s not exactly free pot for all, but the Berkeley City Council voted unanimously Tuesday night to amend their medical marijuana ordinance to require that dispensaries give 2% of their weed to very low-income residents and the homeless without charge.

Dispensaries must distribute 2% of the gross weight of all the marijuana they sell and it can’t be skunk weed. It has to be at least “the same quality on average” as what the paying customers get. That might be a tough one to regulate.

It should be easier to determine who qualifies. For now, any individual making less than $32,000 a year or a family of four earning $46,000 qualifies. Councilmember Darryl Moore told CBS Newst, “The city council wants to make sure that low-income, homeless, indigent folks have access to their medical marijuana, their medicine. We think this is the responsible thing to do for those less fortunate in our community.”

The council also expanded the number of dispensaries in the city from three to four and authorized the Planning Commission to consider what expanding to six licensed dispensaries would entail. Nearby San Francisco has dozens, Oakland has eight and Richman has three. But other communities in the area have none, including Walnut Creek, Concord and Moraga.

While Berkeley is trying to open more dispensaries, the U.S. Attorney’s Office is striving mightily to close them. By Berkeley Medical Cannabis Commission member Charles Pappas’ count, the U.S. attorney has closed 11 dispensaries in San Francisco and threatened a lot more in the Bay Area.

The state went after the Berkeley Patients Group (BPG), one of California’s largest dispensaries, in February 2011. The Board of Equalization (BoE) claimed that the group owed more than $6.4 million in back sales tax and interest for years 2004-2007. That figure grew to $7.5 million. The group, which started paying the sales tax in 2007, argued that it didn’t have to pony up because marijuana qualified as non-taxable medicine at a time when the laws were murky. They settled a year ago for $49,500.

The drug laws are still murky. Marijuana is illegal under federal law. California voters legalized it in 1996 for medical use and authorized dispensaries in 2004.

The U.S. Attorney’s office came after BPG in May 2012. The group was forced to move from its home of 12 years, which was 906 feet from a school (the requirement was 1,000 feet) and relocated to shabbier digs blocks away. They are expected to be back in court later this year, but in the meantime a spokesman told Al Jazeera that the group will continue its own 15-year-old policy of handing out marijuana to the needy.

While Berkeley is gravitating toward so-called “weed welfare,” Congress is making noise about going in another direction.

Representative Paul Gosar (R-Arizona) has introduced H.R. 4142, the “No Weed for Welfare Act.” It would prohibit marijuana from being bought by people using Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance (SNAP) programs. The latter is more commonly known as food stamps. His bill would add marijuana to the list of indulgences welfare recipients must avoid, including strip clubs, liquor and casinos.

The legislation was introduced March 4 and, according to govtrack, it has 0% chance of being enacted."


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In reference to Heroin trafficking, I always wondered why the Mexican Government never offered any help on their end- What do you guys think of this man's opinion?

Best Way to Prevent Illegal Immigration from Central America: Stop the Train in Mexico | RedState
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Yep, the USA is in great company with North Korea, China, Iran, and Yemen for executing people. All the European countries have abolished it.
Actually, the USA has a soft headed policy, based on the usual soft headed thinking, that in effect allows the drug problem to spread like a cancer, destroy million of lives ... and yet even that level of destruction is not enough for some people to want to introduce harsher measure to actually eliminate the problem.

Talk about a huge disconnect between intentions and results ... and speaking of the noble Europeans ... their drug problem will be gone in about 100 years when the Muslim birthrate and demographics takes care of that with the introduction of Sharia law but that's another thread
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I was a big fan of The Wire, too. The message I got from it was "set up drug enforcement-free zones and crime goes DOWN."
Drugs, like alcohol during prohibition, have a greatly inflated price because of the risk associated with trafficking them. Take the risk out and the cartels lose $100Billions worth of value overnight. They wouldn't be able to afford the cost to keep their armies of dealers and enforcers as well as pay off local and national politicians.
The ripple effect in the US would be staggering. Reduced policing costs, prisons, courts, etc. The elimination of the DEA alone would save taxpayers $2.36Billion/year, according to their 2012FY budget.
1/4 of the 2million Americans in jails and prisons are there for drug offenses. That's 500,000 people that we are paying up to $50k/year to incarcerate.

The bottom line is: Thanks to tough US Drug Laws, there's lots of money to be made in illegal drugs. And when you're living in the ghetto with no way out, legally, selling drugs is often the only way out in their minds.



I don't think that would work. There is this little issue of addiction to Heroin.
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