[buggyone]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Actually, the USA has a soft headed policy, based on the usual soft headed thinking, that in effect allows the drug problem to spread like a cancer, destroy million of lives ... and yet even that level of destruction is not enough for some people to want to introduce harsher measure to actually eliminate the problem.

Talk about a huge disconnect between intentions and results ... and speaking of the noble Europeans ... their drug problem will be gone in about 100 years when the Muslim birthrate and demographics takes care of that with the introduction of Sharia law but that's another thread

I believe that Sharia law is completely against drug use and trafficing. I also believe their penalty for it is execution. Are you inferring you are in favor of law similar to Sharia law in the USA? Sure sounds like it.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Are you sure of the number of users, Chi??? I would think there would be more than the figure you quoted in the U.S.,... Because I did recheck on the documented street gang members, exerpt below in quotes;

"Most of the heroin bound for Chicago crosses the border in the El Paso area, Riley said, and is then placed into the hands of local gang members for distribution. “In Chicago, we’ve got 100,000 documented street gang members who largely make their living putting Mexican cartel heroin on the street.”

The way I read that is that there are 100,000 documented street gang members. Of those their money largely comes from Mexican cartel heroin. I would assume some are dealers, while others are runners, and others are enforcers, and others are petty thieves etc. etc. Just my interpretation, but 100 k actually dealing sounds like they would be glutting the market.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

On NBC News tonight was this segment, I haven't seen the others but this alone was shocking to me, who considers drugs to be the largest of society's problems.

How Heroin Flows Over the Border and Into Suburbia - NBC News

Highway 290 going through Chicago is called the Heroin Highway.

It is manufactured in Mexico, and it is distributed from El Paso.

We are losing more and more young people to this addiction.

Another health related issue? I guess I'm not the only one interested in health issues.

However, I wonder why the worrying is so selective. Many more people die each year from doctor prescribed drugs at hospitals and clinics etc.. Many deaths, for example, are due to prescription errors and drug mix-ups at hospitals. Some deaths may be due to patients making errors themselves.

Legal drugs are the 3rd. leading cause of death.

Adults are teaching kids by example that drugs are the answer to all our problems.

[Indydealmaker]

A populace on drugs is not as likely to oppose increased government controls.

[rubicon]

The depiction of heroin and cocaine users and dealers by the movie/television industry romanticizes rather than condemns such practices and speaks to how accustom this country has become to this scenario.

I am afraid that our laws need to deal more severely with violators because this is only going to worsen

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by rubicon

The depiction of heroin and cocaine users and dealers by the movie/television industry romanticizes rather than condemns such practices and speaks to how accustom this country has become to this scenario.

I am afraid that our laws need to deal more severely with violators because this is only going to worsen

I cannot recall any movie or television show that romanticizes heroin usage. It is usually thought of as the worst drug to get hooked on and the users and pushers are on the lowest rung of the ladder.

Odd to me that the ones who continuously preach less government interference and fewer laws are saying just the opposite and are talking of an equal to Sharia law punishment for drug offenders.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I believe that Sharia law is completely against drug use and trafficing. I also believe their penalty for it is execution. Are you inferring you are in favor of law similar to Sharia law in the USA? Sure sounds like it.

No, obviously I am not in favor of Sharia law. My point is that, ironically enough, the “enlightened” Europeans who do not have the death penalty while allowing drug usage to spread, will one day end up living under Sharia. The bigger causal factors are the loss of their Christian faith and yuppie demographics. As I said, this is really a topic for a separate thread.

So, back to the topic at hand. Some questions…

1. What would you do to reduce or eliminate drugs in the US?

2. Do you agree that illegal drugs have a devastating impact and ruin millions of lives, especially in the inner city?

3. Do you think it’s really “compassionate” to argue against the death penalty (ie for major drug dealers) as one means of actually eradicating the problem?

[Topspinmo]

Illegal drugs will not be taken seriously until all the movie stars, lawyers, and college graduates can kick the habit. Just like illegal's entering the country. Taking away the businessman cheap labor nothing will be done about border crossings. Who's businessmen? who own land and need the labor to pick crops, who provides gardening/landscaping, who needs live in maid, who provides roofs repair, who need tables cleared, who needs construction day labor, and the who needs the illegal votes ECT... the list goes on, but nothing gets done.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by Rc Moser

Illegal drugs will not be taken seriously until all the movie stars, lawyers, and college graduates can kick the habit. Just like illegal's entering the country. Taking away the businessman cheap labor nothing will be done about border crossings. Who's businessmen? who own land and need the labor to pick crops, who provides gardening/landscaping, who needs live in maid, who provides roofs repair, who need tables cleared, who needs construction day labor, and the who needs the illegal votes ECT... the list goes on, but nothing gets done.

The job creators!!

[graciegirl]

WHAT would you do?
I ask.. WHAT WOULD YOU DO??

Deport them? PUT them in a real prison where they can't get drugs?

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

No, obviously I am not in favor of Sharia law. My point is that, ironically enough, the “enlightened” Europeans who do not have the death penalty while allowing drug usage to spread, will one day end up living under Sharia. The bigger causal factors are the loss of their Christian faith and yuppie demographics. As I said, this is really a topic for a separate thread.

So, back to the topic at hand. Some questions…

1. What would you do to reduce or eliminate drugs in the US?

2. Do you agree that illegal drugs have a devastating impact and ruin millions of lives, especially in the inner city?

3. Do you think it’s really “compassionate” to argue against the death penalty (ie for major drug dealers) as one means of actually eradicating the problem?

Personally, I do not have a plan. We have found out that buying off poppy farmers does not work. Heroin is a terrible drug and has ruined lives. Compassion has nothing to do with execution of anyone. It is not a deterrent and has been so proved when done on a haphazard basis. It would be a deterrent if done for everyone who does the same crime without exception.

Would you be comfortable in trading your basic freedoms for the almost perfect crime free nation in the world - Singapore? Of course, it is only 595 square miles but has over 5 million people - and almost all the people obey the letter of their very strict laws. Punishments range from heavy fines for misdemeanors to caning to stiff prison time to execution. No private gun ownership allowed. No drugs allowed. No spitting allowed. No eating durian fruit in public allowed.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

So what? Alcohol and tobacco are also addictive to millions more ....and legal. We manage those as social problems, not criminal ones.

Not too many break in your house stab you, steal things because of alcohol and tobacco..... Not that there aren't any, BUT Heroin addiction is a different bag of worms.

Most people can stop drinking and smoking but not stop Heroin. AND if you can't work due to being high and thus have no money......the low cost of drugs would still compel people to steal and kill when they needed a fix.

[graciegirl]

Legal drugs are NOT the third leading cause of death. This is 2010, much the same as now but this is a better way to show cause of death of all ages.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pd...oup_2010-a.pdf

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Legal drugs are NOT the third leading cause of death. This is 2010, much the same as now but this is a better way to show cause of death of all ages.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pd...oup_2010-a.pdf

You won't find it on a list of the leading causes of death due to disease because it's not considered a disease.

You would have to do a separate search for deaths due to (legal) prescription drugs.

[DONKEY10]

Originally Posted by Rags123

"HOW MEXICO’S CARTELS ARE BEHIND THE BORDER KID CRISIS"



How Mexico

"Ranchers along the Texas border with Mexico are in fear for their lives and the lives of their families.
The Mexican drug cartels are taking over the border."


TX Border Rancher: Cartels Are Taking Over Open US Border – Politicians Are Lying (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Inevitable if you do not enforce the law on our borders

Until you secure the border and build a 15 foot brick wall or fence and electrify it this drug and immigration problem will never stop