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Old 12-08-2014, 09:53 AM
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the perp was 5' 6 " tall.....brown hair....wearing brown shoes and a blue jacket!
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the perp was 5' 6 " tall.....brown hair....wearing brown shoes and a blue jacket!
This hysteria is leading us toward...well, the federal government will decide what is best for your community, not your community.

Practicality will take a back seat and no longer allowlocal communities decide how to enforce LAWS !

I want my police to do whatever it takes to insure that my community is safe.

Color of skin should make a difference in deciding whether you vote and a lot of other things...that is for sure. But not in enforcing the law and keeping us safe.
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This hysteria is leading us toward...well, the federal government will decide what is best for your community, not your community.

Practicality will take a back seat and no longer allowlocal communities decide how to enforce LAWS !

I want my police to do whatever it takes to insure that my community is safe.

Color of skin should make a difference in deciding whether you vote and a lot of other things...that is for sure. But not in enforcing the law and keeping us safe.
I'm trying to understand your second to last sentence, please explain.
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I'm trying to understand your second to last sentence, please explain.
I know enough about Rags from reading his posts to know that he did not mean it as any kind of racial bias. Rags is one of the most fair people I have not yet met.
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the perp was 5' 6 " tall.....brown hair....wearing brown shoes and a blue jacket!
Are you talking about the 12 year old in Cleveland shot within a few seconds by the police after arriving at the park. That could have been me several years ago. I guess some would consider it unintended consequences of protecting us from all the bad people in this world. I believe in is bad police work.
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Are you talking about the 12 year old in Cleveland shot within a few seconds by the police after arriving at the park. That could have been me several years ago. I guess some would consider it unintended consequences of protecting us from all the bad people in this world. I believe in is bad police work.
I have no idea what the above is about.

My sarcasm has to do with the new guidelines Holder is trying to get approved before he leaves office outlawing profiling.......or as I like to restate his intent, disallowing description of any kind that may be discriminating or incrminating or hurt somebody's feelings or disagree with special interest groups desires (shortened to Do Nothing....more sarcasm!).
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the perp was 5' 6 " tall.....brown hair....wearing brown shoes and a blue jacket!
This is absolutely ridiculous! Just another attempt to hand tie law enforcement officers and make their jobs more difficult. Who are we protecting here with this nonsense? Certainly not the safety of the general public. It will only create an atmosphere which will make our police officers even more impotent than they already are being made by the biased hype of the media. I fear that we are a society on the precipice of a slippery slope.
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billethkid - if you really have no knowledge of this incident in Cleveland I suggest you watch the video and you would better understand why some of us are beginning to ? what the hell is going on. I would provide a link if I knew how - sorry.
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I think he is very confused. He is making profiling equal racism. Not the same thing at all. You profile those like the one's who commit the most crimes. That is not racism.

Most terrorists are Muslim. So if you are looking for a terrorist in some specific area based on intelligence, you should use profiling to resolve the problem as fast as possible.

If a cop had decent knowledge that their is coke being snorted at some party and most coke snorters are young white males, than they should use profiling to make the arrest.

If they are looking for a drug dealer in a specific area and the last 20 drug dealers arrested were black, than they should use profiling to solve the problem.

If they are near the border with Mexico and trying to find a person who entered the country illegally, they should use profiling to make the correct arrest.

None of those examples are racism. They are using previously known information to resolve the crime as fast as possible. Which any person of any race who is a law abiding citizen should want and expect from our law enforcement officers.

There are just as many examples of things that should be considered racism, but there is a very distinct difference between racism and profiling. And confusing the two is a huge mistake. Doesn't seem to stop Holder from trying to screw it up. It's almost like he wants to promote riots and race issues.
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I have no idea what the above is about.

My sarcasm has to do with the new guidelines Holder is trying to get approved before he leaves office outlawing profiling.......or as I like to restate his intent, disallowing description of any kind that may be discriminating or incrminating or hurt somebody's feelings or disagree with special interest groups desires (shortened to Do Nothing....more sarcasm!).
The young boy's name was Tamir Rice. The video will give you pause and question the current recruiting and training practices of police officers.
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I'm trying to understand your second to last sentence, please explain.
Despite Grace's kind words below....err....above , I mean if racial profiling is what is necessary to protect my family and my neighbors then so be it.

I do not want to be a victim because the police for some reason were not allowed to approach, describe or otherwise deal with a criminal.

If that is racist, then so be it. Frankly all those on here who are always calling race....they would agree or they are not telling the truth.
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In MO and NY it was a big black guy doing something Illegal. So Holder suggests we look for a small white guy ?????????????????

Watch the 6:00 P.M. news and see who we should be looking for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think he is very confused. He is making profiling equal racism. Not the same thing at all. You profile those like the one's who commit the most crimes. That is not racism.

Most terrorists are Muslim. So if you are looking for a terrorist in some specific area based on intelligence, you should use profiling to resolve the problem as fast as possible.

If a cop had decent knowledge that their is coke being snorted at some party and most coke snorters are young white males, than they should use profiling to make the arrest.

If they are looking for a drug dealer in a specific area and the last 20 drug dealers arrested were black, than they should use profiling to solve the problem.

If they are near the border with Mexico and trying to find a person who entered the country illegally, they should use profiling to make the correct arrest.

None of those examples are racism. They are using previously known information to resolve the crime as fast as possible. Which any person of any race who is a law abiding citizen should want and expect from our law enforcement officers.

There are just as many examples of things that should be considered racism, but there is a very distinct difference between racism and profiling. And confusing the two is a huge mistake. Doesn't seem to stop Holder from trying to screw it up. It's almost like he wants to promote riots and race issues.

If there weren't people like you who use words to make sense of things in this day and age, I would lose all hope.
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This is absolutely ridiculous! Just another attempt to hand tie law enforcement officers and make their jobs more difficult. Who are we protecting here with this nonsense? Certainly not the safety of the general public. It will only create an atmosphere which will make our police officers even more impotent than they already are being made by the biased hype of the media. I fear that we are a society on the precipice of a slippery slope.
The guidelines announced today by Attorney General Eric Holder only apply to federal cases. That is the extent of his scope of authority, not local or state or municipal law enforcement officers. Racial profiling has been banned in this country since 2003.
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Perp? Could you explain more about what this thread is about?
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