[sunnyatlast]

When the feds and their enablers demonize and tie the hands of local law enforcement under the guise of mass-stereotyped "racism", they create a zone ripe for federal police control to grab even more power over arrests, prosecutions, and evidence.

An example is that the WH and Holder are promoting federally funded use of police video body cameras whose recordings can be either released, or withheld, by the federal agency proposing to fund them with federal tax monies.

Example of what can happen:

Suppressing internal dissent

During the Cold War, the KGB actively sought to combat "ideological subversion"�anti-communist political and religious ideas and the dissidents who promoted them, which was generally dealt with as a matter of national security in discouraging influence of hostile foreign powers.

After denouncing Stalinism in his secret speech On the Personality Cult and its Consequences in 1956, head of state Nikita Khrushchev lessened suppression of "ideological subversion". As a result, critical literature re-emerged, including the novel One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich (1962), by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who was code-named PAUK ("spider") by the KGB.

After Khrushchev's deposition in 1964, Leonid Brezhnev reverted the State and KGB to actively harsh suppression; house searches to seize documents and the continual monitoring of dissidents became routine again. To wit, in 1965, such a search-and-seizure operation yielded Solzhenitsyn manuscripts of "slanderous fabrications", and the subversion trial of the novelists Andrei Sinyavsky and Yuli Daniel; Sinyavsky (alias "Abram Tertz"), and Daniel (alias "Nikolai Arzhak"), were captured after a Moscow literary-world informant told KGB when to find them at home."
KGB - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bimmertl]

Wow, used to be opinions became facts on this site. Now sarcasm has become factual to some. Perhaps the actual guidelines might help.

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default...ace-policy.pdf

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The guidelines announced today by Attorney General Eric Holder only apply to federal cases. That is the extent of his scope of authority, not local or state or municipal law enforcement officers. Racial profiling has been banned in this country since 2003.

You are absolutely correct in what you say !!!!

Want to be they filter down ? QUICKLY !

[billethkid]

the way I look at it is....profiling is a technique used to identify potential perpetrators.

If in fact the profile includes stating white, black, brown or yellow what is the big deal?

The big deal is Holder, Sharpton, Obama, et al do not want to see the fact that a black may be pegged as the likely suspect. They know the numbers....they know the percentages....they know the odds of a black person being in the profile....they want this eliminated.

Unfortunately I have become a seasoned dis-beleiver of ANYTHING these folks promote because it is usually not for the greater good or safety or protection.
Classic example.......illegal immigration and the selected or no enforcement of laws already on the books.
In my experience the actions being taken are in fact devious because they fail the test of serving the greater good and safety of we the people of America.

They have earned this distrust and in some cases disrespect!!But that is me and how I feel about what is happening!!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Rags123

This hysteria is leading us toward...well, the federal government will decide what is best for your community, not your community.

Practicality will take a back seat and no longer allowlocal communities decide how to enforce LAWS !

I want my police to do whatever it takes to insure that my community is safe.

Color of skin should make a difference in deciding whether you vote and a lot of other things...that is for sure. But not in enforcing the law and keeping us safe.

What does this mean??

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

What does this mean??

As I re read this, I am sorry...not clear.

I mean that the color of your skin should never prevent you from voting, for example, but to me it is not something to avoid in crime prevention or apprehension of criminals or suspects.

Sorry for not being clear !

[Tennisnut]

Attorney General Eric Holder, who has long spoken out against racial profiling, has been under pressure from civil- rights and civil-liberties groups to broaden rules put in place in 2003 that banned profiling based on race and ethnicity. The new guidelines will also prohibit profiling based on national origin, sexual orientation, and gender identity.

The new guidelines have nothing to do with race or ethnicity. The previous administration addressed those issues. It is readily apparent that those guidelines have not been followed and are being ignored by those who are empowered to enforce the law.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The guidelines announced today by Attorney General Eric Holder only apply to federal cases. That is the extent of his scope of authority, not local or state or municipal law enforcement officers. Racial profiling has been banned in this country since 2003.

The federal government via many of its agencies from the IRS to the EPA Justice Department, to Energy Dept have for the last six years made attempts to garner control from states not to mention Congress. So anything the federal government does now is met by me with skepticism . I also include the Federal Reserve here.

As to profiling it all depends on whose ox is being gored, isn't it.

In the 1950's there were communist infiltrating the federal government but those guilty feigned indignation.

Around the same time the mob was being investigated by AG Bobby Kennedy and they feigned indignation It occurred with the neo-nazi, blacks muslims, etc

What's a cop to do? Is a cop suppose to say please don't take this wrong since you are a ----- because I am not profiling but I couldn't help notice people stop their cars you visit them and then they drive away...not that I am complaining mind you but we have had complaints about drug trafficking here . I also notice that bulge in your jacket pocket that is likely your snack because i would want to accuse you of packing heat as it might be upsetting to you

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Attorney General Eric Holder, who has long spoken out against racial profiling, has been under pressure from civil- rights and civil-liberties groups to broaden rules put in place in 2003 that banned profiling based on race and ethnicity. The new guidelines will also prohibit profiling based on national origin, sexual orientation, and gender identity.

The new guidelines have nothing to do with race or ethnicity. The previous administration addressed those issues. It is readily apparent that those guidelines have not been followed and are being ignored by those who are empowered to enforce the law.

I must be confused then. If one cannot use race in the profiling or a suspect how can the new guideline be said to have nothing to do with race or ethnicity.

If a black woman were assaulted by a white man, under the new guidelines she would not be able to identify the perp as white.....and the law enforcement would not be able to say they are looking for a white guy....etc????

Hence my sarcasm in the opening post!!!!

The actions being taken have everything to do with racism in all it's ugliness!

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I must be confused then. If one cannot use race in the profiling or a suspect how can the new guideline be said to have nothing to do with race or ethnicity.

If a black woman were assaulted by a white man, under the new guidelines she would not be able to identify the perp as white.....and the law enforcement would not be able to say they are looking for a white guy....etc????

Hence my sarcasm in the opening post!!!!

The actions being taken have everything to do with racism in all it's ugliness!

It is apparent from the above comments that several posters have failed to to read the guidelines and assumed that identification of persons of interest by physical characteristics is forbidden by the guidelines. The guidelines are provided below if you like to comment on those portions you disagree and provide constructive suggestions.

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default...ace-policy.pdf

[graciegirl]

That is what is so hurtful to me. The Federal government is supposed to be protecting ALL of us. Not some of us. AND I would start with the law abiding ones first, if I were King.

[sunnyatlast]

Posted by Rubicon:
"What's a cop to do? Is a cop suppose to say please don't take this wrong since you are a ----- because I am not profiling but I couldn't help notice people stop their cars you visit them and then they drive away...not that I am complaining mind you but we have had complaints about drug trafficking here . I also notice that bulge in your jacket pocket that is likely your snack because i would want to accuse you of packing heat as it might be upsetting to you.."

This is exactly how absurd they're trying to make local law enforcement look. And so, when local law enforcement looks like laughingstocks undeserving of an ounce of respect, "somebody will have to step in".

Enter federal law enforcement and its increased control.

[gomoho]

Gracie - actually the new guidelines protect everyone. Profiling by gender or sexual orientation is now illegal. Personally I didn't know there were gender or sexual orientation specific crimes going on. This is nothing but a bunch of crap flowing out of Holder's mouth so people believe he is doing something.

George Bush is responsible for making racial profiling illegal. Been in place for a long time and can't say if it has helped our not. But this stuff Holder said he started working on in 09 and he considers one of the major contributions of his tenure are a joke. Goes to show you he is as worthless as we all suspected.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

That is what is so hurtful to me. The Federal government is supposed to be protecting ALL of us. Not some of us. AND I would start with the law abiding ones first, if I were King.

I totally agree and that's why persons of all color are peacefully demonstrating for protection for ALL and condemning those that are violating the premise of peaceful demonstration.

No one has specific comments on the text of the new guidelines?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

I totally agree and that's why persons of all color are peacefully demonstrating for protection for ALL and condemning those that are violating the premise of peaceful demonstration.
No one has specific comments on the text of the new guidelines?

Did you miss the fires and the looting part?