[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by rubicon

The only way out of this mess is to return to market basis activity. This will require government move out of the way (meaning dropping costly and time consuming regulations) and let enterpreneurs thrive.

Now this is not political its simple economics

A couple of days ago there was a thread here on Gasoline Prices. One conservative poster wrote something like, "What happened to Buy American when the price of imported gasoline is less than what the drilling costs are in this country?" That is not an exact quote but very close to her post.

So, the free market system is best in this instance as well?

[Irishmen]

When we grew up, we spent within what we earned and saved so we could buy a house and provide a comfortable living for our families. Today, too many people are living a champagne life on a beer budget. They want what the neighbors have and to do without they say is wrong and unjust.

[onslowe]

She knows who'll create jobs - she knows much more than all of us. "Bigger government, smiley faced fascism, behavior modification, reliance on government, entitlement, these are a few of my favorite things.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

If you don't believe in capitalism, free enterprise, and the private sector, then you don't believe in the principles upon which our country was founded.

She is showing her ignorance to those who know better. And unfortunately she is pattering to her followers who must unfortunately believe the smut she is peddaling.

Or we could use one of her other well emphasized quotes in a national crisis:

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE???

The subject of where jobs come from should be a banner issue that underscores ones incompetence as well as her view of her constituents.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

A couple of days ago there was a thread here on Gasoline Prices. One conservative poster wrote something like, "What happened to Buy American when the price of imported gasoline is less than what the drilling costs are in this country?" That is not an exact quote but very close to her post.

So, the free market system is best in this instance as well?

Yes. If American energy producers weren't operating under such constraining rules and regulations, the cost of imported energy would not be less than energy produced in America.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by Irishmen

I would hope all in this thread are going to vote Novemner 4 because the tax and spenders are mobilizing their troops to come get what you've earned.

Yes, we are! Just wait until November, 2016, too.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Irishmen

I would hope all in this thread are going to vote Novemner 4 because the tax and spenders are mobilizing their troops to come get what you've earned.

Yes we are, can't wait

[graciegirl]

Now back to capitalism versus socialism or whatever we were talking about.

[Hancle704]

In the days of the Soviet Union, government created most jobs. Unfortunately they were to produce items that people did not want or, that didn't last. Interesting how things have changed since it collapsed. Too bad we now have pols who want to duplicate that experiment. The same pols who may never have worked in any field where they produced a product, created a job or had to be responsible for a firm's profitability and survival.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

“Don’t let anybody tell you that it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs”

This statement was recently made by a leading national figure. I have deliberately omitted the name and source of the quote to avoid making it political.

I’m more interested in the philosophical mindset of someone who would actually attempt to make this argument. Not only does it fly recklessly into the face of reality, it seems to reveal the inner collectivist poking its head out.

So the question I have is ... if business and entrepreneurs do not create jobs, who does??

They Magically Appear!

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Yes. If American energy producers weren't operating under such constraining rules and regulations, the cost of imported energy would not be less than energy produced in America.

Polar Bear: spot on

But for the free enterprise wildcatters who moved forward with fracking the Energy Dept would be scratching their heads. government picks losers wind solar are failing and shown not to be environmental friendly as greenies purport. Free market free up so much oil so what did government do refused Keystone. so free market went to plan B and moved it by railroad. Boom government comes back with superficial safety rules to stop shipping by rail.

A classic example of what the effect of government regulation compare USA trains compared to Japan China France Russia.

Dodd Frank is destroying business with its stupid regulations which by the way do nothing to protect too big to fail .

We need to eliminate the FED Dept of Energy, Dept of Education, to start

[charlie49]

Regardless of tax breaks, business owners will not hire people when demand for their product is low and inventory is high. Middle class wages have been stagnant and declining for years, the American consumer is weak. Lower paying service jobs have replaced many of the better paying manufacturing jobs lost to other countries.

Unfortunately the changing global economy has produced very cheap labor in countries evolving from a farming to an industial economy. Neither political party can change this and how it effects our economy.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Thanks, got it.

Well, the speaker of the quote was absolutely right. Trickle-down economics has been tried and it failed miserably. Corporations that take their profits offshore and outsource their labor overseas are not helping America.

Listen to the entire speech instead of just 13 words and you just might come away with some insight on what was said.

Too many people just listen for a tiny phrase of what was said and try to make that sound like the speaker does not have a clue instead of listening to the entire explanation of what was said.

Major shareholders of corporations that go offshore are union pension funds, who along with other shareholders push public companies for more and more profit. These same shareholders also push corporate boards to reward executives who put shareholder interests ahead of the actual company. I think many anti-corporate people need to look a little closer to home for blame, like into your own pension structures.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by gomoho

The man in the moon?

And pimps.

[tedquick]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

And pimps.

Kitty!!!