[Rags123]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Where did this happen?

It was very concerning to hear that there are only nine beds available in the entire country to treat those effected with Ebola, and we know that at least three of them are occupied at this time. Dallas officials said earlier that one of the reasons they moved the first nurse was because they expect there to be other cases soon.

"WASHINGTON—An Ebola scare has shut down a parking lot and entrance to the Pentagon.

The Defense Department said on Friday that it had cordoned off the parking lot outside the Pentagon and an entrance to the building after a woman who vomited in the lot said she had recently been to Africa."



"http://online.wsj.com/articles/parking-lot-outside-pentagon-closed-off-due-to-ebola-scare-1413561377

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by cologal

There are no direct flights from West Africa to the US. FYI

Hi cologal: That does complicate it but they are aware of all flights destination and intermediate stops and so any stops in West Africa should be flagged.

It may however be too late because the government reluctance to act who knows where the next infected person/country will materialize. This may turn out to be as silent and hence as uncontrollable as AIDS/HIV was initially.

right now all the UN WHO and CDC are doing is whack a mole strategy

[TexaninVA]

[quote=Sandtrap328;953890]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

General Kelly is the 4-Star, chief of US Southern Command ... he recently said the following:

"The Pentagon’s top commander in South America has warned that if Ebola surfaces in Central America or the Caribbean, there will be a stampede of people heading north across the Rio Grande to the U.S. to escape the disease.

“If it breaks out, it’s literally, ‘Katie bar the door,’ and there will be mass migration into the United States,” Marine General John Kelly, chief of the U.S. Southern Command, said Tuesday. “They will run away from Ebola, or if they suspect they are infected, they will try to get to the United States for treatment.”

That is a very possible event. Since you like to pose questions to others - I would like to hear your solution that would prevent such a "mass migration" that would be feasible right now. We agree, of course, that a high fence could be put all along the southern border but that would take a long time to construct and still would be permible in many areas. What else? Thousands of National Guard on 24/7 duty with shoot to kill orders (since putting illegals in detention is not an option)?

Please reply with your solutions. (ie a request made by Sandtrap328)

Actually Sandtrap, you have done a nice job in describing the gist of what’s required so you didn’t really need to wait for my reply to share your thoughts. But, since you asked, here’s my response.

First of all, this is not a hard problem to solve in terms of identifying what is needed. The difficult part is mustering up the courage, political will, and leadership, to make the unpleasant choices. Remember, we are talking about what is needed to protect the US in the event General Kelly’s “Katie Bar the Door” scenario comes to play.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=123359


Thus, as soon as solid evidence exists that Ebola has spread to Central America or Mexico, the very first thing that’s needed is for the President to make a nationally televised speech to the Congress and inform that world that, due to Ebola and other reasons, the US border is now closed. Legal immigration will be allowed (with appropriate screening, quarantine etc), but illegal entry of any type will be denied “using any means necessary, including deadly force.” The latter is the key phrase.

At that point, the US military will be deployed in force to protect the entire Southern border. Inevitably, someone will try to enter any way. That’s when warning shots will be used. If that doesn’t work, destroy the target. After several instances of this, illegal border incursions will largely stop, and have the beneficial effect of reducing further casualties caused by firearms. It may also be necessary to send troops on limited incursions into Mexico if needed to seek our armed intruders … eg drug cartels and smugglers as one example.

At the same time, and in a more strategic sense, we finally get serious about building the border wall. No more excuses. It can be done, and solutions developed as with any other large project if given the resources and requisite leadership.

Now, consider the alternate to NOT doing the above. You then have hundreds, or at some point potentially thousands, of Ebola infected illegals moving into the southern states and then throughout out the country. This will overwhelm our resources, and literally destroy the US economy in the process. Thus, should General Kelly’s scenario come to pass, closing the border by any means necessary becomes a survival issue … either protect the border and let Ebola burn itself out in Central America, and Africa or, let them all in and let it burn out in the US as well.

To put it bluntly, many of us and our families would then be destined to meet a most unpleasant fate … all because the border was left open for "noble" reasons that won’t matter much by then. Some may be comforted however in that the virus won't discriminate on race, creed, national origin or philosophical views on income inequality and social justice.

[xNYer]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

I really get.
Suspend all thought, and trust what the gov says. Nothing bad is happening anywhere.

Never trust your government or elected officials. God Bless America. Is that the majority feeling here. Is that how we feel about our country?

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by janmcn

No, his education is in law. He graduated from Georgetown University and Harvard Law School and has held many political positions.

Ron Klain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is so disheartening to read, but at the same type enlightening.

It occurred to me … if I was a senior official, and I had a problem, what type of person would I appoint to solve it? Well, obviously it would depend on the nature of the problem I had, wouldn’t it?

For example, if I had a military problem, it would make sense to appoint a military leader to solve it.

If I had a business problem, I would find an expert business leader to solve it.

Not surprisingly, if I had a medical problem I would appoint a doctor or medical administrator to get rid of the problem.

But, on the other hand, if I appointed a political operative, what does that say about how I view the nature of the problem I have to solve?

[gomoho]

Excellent deduction TexaninVa

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

This is so disheartening to read, but at the same type enlightening.

It occurred to me … if I was a senior official, and I had a problem, what type of person would I appoint to solve it? Well, obviously it would depend on the nature of the problem I had, wouldn’t it?

For example, if I had a military problem, it would make sense to appoint a military leader to solve it.

If I had a business problem, I would find an expert business leader to solve it.

Not surprisingly, if I had a medical problem I would appoint a doctor or medical administrator to get rid of the problem.

But, on the other hand, if I appointed a political operative, what does that say about how I view the nature of the problem I have to solve?

Who would you appoint if you wanted someone to coordinate all the government agencies involved? Who would you appoint if you wanted to cut through all of the government red-tape? A physician or a businessman would not be able to do this, but a political operative is a perfect choice.

BTW: if you want to tweet the president some of your ideas, his twitter handle is @barackobama (very easy to remember).

[sunnyatlast]

"Who would you appoint if you wanted to cut through all of the government red-tape?"

When has a White House appointee ever "cut through all the red tape" instead of make more of it?

[sunnyatlast]

I see that the new Tsar of Ebola was Chief of Staff to Vice Presidents Gore and Biden.

"When it comes to commentary about the office of vice president of the United States, no statement is more repeated than John Nance Garner's observation that the office "is not worth a bucket of warm spit."

That's what this ebola office will be, too.

John Nance Garner on the Vice Presidency - In Search of the Proverbial Bucket - Dolph Briscoe Center for American History

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

When has a White House appointee ever "cut through all the red tape" instead of make more of it?

John Goss

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

When has a White House appointee ever "cut through all the red tape" instead of make more of it?

Please enlighten me as to which WH appointee ever made ANYTHING happen.
Unless we know what the latest czar's mission we will never know what he was supposed to do or did. Accountability lacking.

Saying a politician can get more done than a business man can only be parroting or a politician talking!!

Ebola needs more than verbiage to get the job done....what ever that happens to be.

Did the other czars get their job done??

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Who would you appoint if you wanted someone to coordinate all the government agencies involved? Who would you appoint if you wanted to cut through all of the government red-tape? A physician or a businessman would not be able to do this, but a political operative is a perfect choice.

BTW: if you want to tweet the president some of your ideas, his twitter handle is @barackobama (very easy to remember).

How about a member of the cabinet like the Surgeon General????

It is my belief that more than any other kind of smart person, a physician is needed now to coordinate all of the efforts on THIS ISSUE. Many physicians are in the top one percent of our population in intelligence and they are certainly as smart if not smarter than most lawyers, and many of them too, have attended fine schools like Georgetown and Harvard. It shows that even the POTUS no matter WHO he is CAN be lacking in some forms of knowledge and connections to all kinds of expertise.

I think that we are being literally thrown to the lions.

What we need now more than anything else is for someone in the White House to realize what clean and dirty mean in a medical setting and keep the dirty away from the clean or many of us are going to die.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by Rags123

"WASHINGTON—An Ebola scare has shut down a parking lot and entrance to the Pentagon.

The Defense Department said on Friday that it had cordoned off the parking lot outside the Pentagon and an entrance to the building after a woman who vomited in the lot said she had recently been to Africa."



"http://online.wsj.com/articles/parking-lot-outside-pentagon-closed-off-due-to-ebola-scare-1413561377

According to the Washington NBC affiliate, the scare was only a scare. The woman did get sick on a bus but not Ebola related.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

How about a member of the cabinet like the Surgeon General????

It is my belief that more than any other kind of smart person, a physician is needed now to coordinate all of the efforts on THIS ISSUE. Many physicians are in the top one percent of our population in intelligence and they are certainly as smart if not smarter than most lawyers, and many of them too, have attended fine schools like Georgetown and Harvard. It shows that even the POTUS no matter WHO he is CAN be lacking in some forms of knowledge and connections to all kinds of expertise.

I think that we are being literally thrown to the lions.

What we need now more than anything else is for someone in the White House to realize what clean and dirty mean in a medical setting and keep the dirty away from the clean or many of us are going to die.

WHY does it seem that people who are left of center in their views seem to pooh pooh the risk here? Are they defending the party in office or WHAT????

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

WHY does it seem that people who are left of center in their views seem to pooh pooh the risk here? Are they defending the party in office or WHAT????

It's a matter of faith.