[cologal]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Stop the people. They need a visa to enter the U.S.

"According to the Washington Post, the number of visas issued to Liberians by the United States has spiked, with about 3,500 visitor visas granted to Liberians last year, and another 10,000 granted to people from Guinea and Sierra Leone during that same time period.

The Post also reported that Liberians also have a very high rate of "visa overstays,"the fifth highest after Cuba, Burundi, Eritrea and the Democratic Republic of Congo, according to immigration expert Jessica Vaughn with the Center for Immigration Studies. Vaughn has sharply criticized the Obama administration's immigration policies regarding Ebola, noting that Kenya and other African countries have closed their borders to any travelers from Ebola-afflicted areas."

DHS Started Expediting Visa Extensions from Ebola Countries in August

There has been another virus epidemic...thousands of people died before anything was done. Already Obama is being hammered when there have only been 3 people infected and only one death.

Care to guess how many died the last time before that President acted?

[cologal]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Hi cologal: That does complicate it but they are aware of all flights destination and intermediate stops and so any stops in West Africa should be flagged.

It may however be too late because the government reluctance to act who knows where the next infected person/country will materialize. This may turn out to be as silent and hence as uncontrollable as AIDS/HIV was initially.

right now all the UN WHO and CDC are doing is whack a mole strategy

Hey rubicon.... I don't think this outbreak will be as bad as the one you reference due the difficult transference. Many thousands of people died before anything was done not just 1. I do remember calls for gay people to be put in detention camps do to the fear levels.

They only thing to do would be to hold visitors at the point of entry for 21 days. Not calling for that just saying. But that is difficult as well because how can the define guidelines for detention?

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by cologal

There has been another virus epidemic...thousands of people died before anything was done. Already Obama is being hammered when there have only been 3 people infected and only one death.

Care to guess how many died the last time before that President acted?

Getting back to the question you posed and to which I replied,

Stop the people, not the flights. The people can't enter the U.S. without a visa.

Instead of limiting visas from Liberia and the other ebola afflicted nations, our government has increased these visas in the last two months, according to the WashPo article I linked above!

[cologal]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Getting back to the question you posed and to which I replied,

Stop the people, not the flights. The people can't enter the U.S. without a visa.

Instead of limiting visas from Liberia and the other ebola afflicted nations, our government has increased these visas in the last two months, according to the WashPo article I linked above!

Ok...Until they get to an US airport we are not in control. So the only way to make the virus doesn't spread would be to keep them in a controlled environment for at least 21 days. Someone with a Visa could come in contact with an Ebola patient, like Duncan did, within days of his flight.

Now care to guess how many died before anything was done the last time this happened?

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Getting back to the question you posed and to which I replied,

Stop the people, not the flights. The people can't enter the U.S. without a visa.

Instead of limiting visas from Liberia and the other ebola afflicted nations, our government has increased these visas in the last two months, according to the WashPo article I linked above!

As long as this or any other crises facing our contry is ONLY dealt with POLITICALLY there will be no advances made. Only wait and see after the fact, crisies mode which by it's very nature means playing catch up.

This administration ONLY acts POLITICALLY.......not logical and certainly not smart. Smart includes learning from past mistakes which they most certainly do not.

A better chioce would have been Senator Frisk...he is a sitting senator....he is an MD....he knows the medical community....which should be driving ANY political actions.

Next choice would be one of the 5 star generals who have had multiple combat experiences and directing large groups of people. Give him the objective and then keep the politicians the hell outta the way.

Remember political decisions are not good or right decisions THEY ARE POLITICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by cologal

Hey rubicon.... I don't think this outbreak will be as bad as the one you reference due the difficult transference. Many thousands of people died before anything was done not just 1. I do remember calls for gay people to be put in detention camps do to the fear levels.

They only thing to do would be to hold visitors at the point of entry for 21 days. Not calling for that just saying. But that is difficult as well because how can the define guidelines for detention?

Hi cologal: first to your post concerning the outbreak not being as bad...."From your lips to God's ears".

First one has to ascertain how Ebola began and the theory goes something like it came from a bat that eat a berry that dropped that modified berry on the ground that a chicken ate and that, that chicken was consumed by a human. The reason Ebola has spread so far is because initially it was mistaken for cholera . It is also spreading quickly because Africans are bribing medics to leave their dead so that they can have proper burials which include washing the bodies a number of times and kisses of goodbye from family members. It is also spreading quickly because these countries literally had no medical infrastructure and also many of the medical people had long migrated to other countries seeking higher pay.

The UN WHO and CDC are better at dealing with second hand smoke than Ebola in fact Dr Feidan worked for Mayor Bloomberg and was responsible for the super sized soft drink nonsense in New York.

If it is true and I am not certain of it , it has been reported on a political blog that Obama has ordered that some/many Ebola patient from West Africa be brought here and treated in America. If this is true its about as dumb as one can get.

If you posed the travel ban question to a 7 year old he would say why would you allow such a sick person in my house. close the door

[cologal]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Hi cologal: first to your post concerning the outbreak not being as bad...."From your lips to God's ears".

First one has to ascertain how Ebola began and the theory goes something like it came from a bat that eat a beery that dropped that modified berry on the ground that a chicken ate and that, that chicken was consumed by a human. The reason Ebola has spread so far is because initially it was mistaken for cholera . It is also spreading quickly because Africans are bribing medics to leave their dead so that they can have proper burials which include washing the bodies a number of times and kisses of goodbye from family members. It is also spreading quickly because these countries literally had no medical infrastructure and also many of the medical people had long migrated to other countries seeking higher pay.

The UN WHO and CDC are better at dealing with second hand smoke than Ebola in fact Dr Feidan worked for Mayor Bloomberg and was responsible for the super sized soft drink nonsense in New York.

If it is true and I am not certain of it , it has been reported on a political blog that Obama has ordered that some/many Ebola patient from West Africa be brought here and treated in America. If this is true its about as dumb as one can get.

If you posed the travel ban question to a 7 year old he would say why would you allow such a sick person in my house. close the door

I really hope that this outbreak never reaches the level of that outbreak. Unfortunately we are NOT in control of the door.... We used to have US Public Health Service Hospitals with quarantine stations. I know this because I worked at one on Staten Island. The bad news they were all closed...by the same President who ignored that last virus.

I hope also that your blog information is incorrect....according to what I have heard the US Hospitals are only equipped to handle 9 patients, I think there are 5,000 patients in West Africa now.

I forgot.... at least 2 patients have already been transported to the US for treatment and all have so far survived. I think one doctor and a reporter.

[cologal]

I think we all should remember HOW DIFFICULT it is to get Ebola. You have to come into direct contact with the body fluid, blood, vomit or XXXX of someone with active Ebola. So with the current case 2 hospital workers in very close contact with the patient and his fluids but his family members, with whom he was staying, have not gotten the virus......

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by cologal

I really hope that this outbreak never reaches the level of that outbreak. Unfortunately we are NOT in control of the door.... We used to have US Public Health Service Hospitals with quarantine stations. I know this because I worked at one on Staten Island. The bad news they were all closed...by the same President who ignored that last virus.

I hope also that your blog information is incorrect....according to what I have heard the US Hospitals are only equipped to handle 9 patients, I think there are 5,000 patients in West Africa now.

I forgot.... at least 2 patients have already been transported to the US for treatment and all have so far survived. I think one doctor and a reporter.

You are correct, only nine beds for Ebola patients in the entire country and four of them are occupied at this time. Three doctors have been treated and seem to be doing fine. The TV reporter is still being treated in Nebraska along with the two nurses, one at Emory Hospital and one at the NIH. No idea who the fourth patient is.

Of course, there could be other Ebola patients in local hospitals who haven't been diagnosed yet.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by janmcn

You are correct, only nine beds for Ebola patients in the entire country and four of them are occupied at this time. Three doctors have been treated and seem to be doing fine. The TV reporter is still being treated in Nebraska along with the two nurses, one at Emory Hospital and one at the NIH. No idea who the fourth patient is.

Of course, there could be other Ebola patients in local hospitals who haven't been diagnosed yet.

There are NO other Ebola patients in local hospitals and not one of Patient Zero's family have gotten sick.

[Schaumburger]

Originally Posted by cologal

There are NO other Ebola patients in local hospitals and not one of Patient Zero's family have gotten sick.

According to NBC News web site: "Forty-eight people who had contact with Thomas Eric Duncan in Dallas, including his fiancée, Louise Troh, are being monitored for symptoms themselves. Most of them are expected to pass through a 21-day monitoring period by Sunday."

[Villages PL]

Everyone has to die sooner or later from something, so this will be the something for some people. There's no nice way to die unless you live to 112 and your heart stops during the night. Did you ever see someone die from dementia, cancer or Parkinson's etc? It's not pretty.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

It's a matter of faith.

Then it's poorly placed.

[dbussone]

At this point faith in the WH may be politically correct and that's it. :xymoron::

[cologal]

At this point no one has answered the question How many people died before any action during the last viral outbreak?

So I will, 20,849 people died.... the outbreak AIDS and the President Reagan.