[JB in TV]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Maybe because a fair number of ebola victims don't get fever:

Yet the largest study of the current outbreak found that in nearly 13% of "confirmed and probable" cases in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and elsewhere, those infected did not have fevers.

The study, sponsored by the World Health Organization and published online late last month by the New England Journal of Medicine, analyzed data on 3,343 confirmed and 667 probable cases of Ebola.

The finding that 87.1% of those infected exhibited fever — but 12.9% did not — illustrates the challenges confronting health authorities as they struggle to contain the epidemic.

Ebola research: Fever not a surefire sign of infection - LA Times

Which would further invalidate checking temperatures as a means to determine if an airline passenger (or anyone, for that matter) is infected with Ebola.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by JB in TV

Which would further invalidate checking temperatures as a means to determine if an airline passenger (or anyone, for that matter) is infected with Ebola.

Yes, but it appeases somebody and so that's good enough for most politicians.

They're not going to admit this virus can't be controlled except for the "dreaded" quarantine.

But if people think a quarantine is "dreaded", they ought to think about having ebola. Far worse than 21 days of solitary boredom while in good health.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Maybe because a fair number of ebola victims don't get fever:

Yet the largest study of the current outbreak found that in nearly 13% of "confirmed and probable" cases in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and elsewhere, those infected did not have fevers.

The study, sponsored by the World Health Organization and published online late last month by the New England Journal of Medicine, analyzed data on 3,343 confirmed and 667 probable cases of Ebola.

The finding that 87.1% of those infected exhibited fever — but 12.9% did not — illustrates the challenges confronting health authorities as they struggle to contain the epidemic.

Ebola research: Fever not a surefire sign of infection - LA Times

She was given an Ebola test.... it was NEGATIVE

[cologal]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Yes, but it appeases somebody and so that's good enough for most politicians.

They're not going to admit this virus can't be controlled except for the "dreaded" quarantine.

But if people think a quarantine is "dreaded", they ought to think about having ebola. Far worse than 21 days of solitary boredom while in good health.

As long as you are not the one in quarantine when you have been tested for Ebola and the test was negative.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by JB in TV

Which would further invalidate checking temperatures as a means to determine if an airline passenger (or anyone, for that matter) is infected with Ebola.

Then why is the American government doing this at 5 airports?

[JB in TV]

Originally Posted by cologal

Then why is the American government doing this at 5 airports?

I suspect because they think it shows that they are doing something to try to control this terrible illness, without fear of being accused of infringing on personal rights. It seems (to me) it is all about image.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by cologal

She was given an Ebola test.... it was NEGATIVE

Who knows if she will present with the disease? Maybe she will not. The doctor was not ill for a while and now he is ill.

I know that most of the people I know would not challenge a quarantine, in the same situation. I call that responsible behavior.

Why are you so intent on this? How will you feel if she does become ill? How do you know for certain that she will not become ill? How does she know for certain she will not become ill? If she cared enough to go and help patients that were ill in another country, it seems that she should care enough to protect people in this country. Your idea of what is right and mine are far different.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by JB in TV

I suspect because they think it shows that they are doing something to try to control this terrible illness, without fear of being accused of infringing on personal rights. It seems (to me) it is all about image.

Similar making all of us walk through metal detectors, in a large number of airports, which do not find non metal devices.

All show

[cologal]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Who knows if she will present with the disease? Maybe she will not. The doctor was not ill for a while and now he is ill.

I know that most of the people I know would not challenge a quarantine, in the same situation. I call that responsible behavior.

Why are you so intent on this? How will you feel if she does become ill? How do you know for certain that she will not become ill? How does she know for certain she will not become ill? If she cared enough to go and help patients that were ill in another country, it seems that she should care enough to protect people in this country. Your idea of what is right and mine are far different.

Gracie perhaps you missed the message I posted about my personal experiences with airport security.

Put yourself in her shoes.... she is not sick, no symptoms means she cannot pass the disease to anyone. She has been tested for Ebola with a negative result.

She cared enough to put herself in harms way to help but if she is not symptomatic then putting her in isolation is NOT protecting anyone. She could be at home instead in a tent without a shower and only a porta potty.

I really don't our ideas of right and wrong are that much different however, our understanding of Ebola transmission is completely different. I am also concerned that other medical professionals will respond negatively to these rules...we have a much better keeping this disease away from our shores by treating it in Africa.

We should know more soon if know one gets sick in NYC from the doctor and this nurse remains Ebola free.

[billethkid]

Has it been proven more than once here in the USA that one Can pass the test today and have a fever tomorrow?
The answer is yes.
The next control point is to quarantine those exposed.....like it or not!
Wait and see is not the way to protect we the people.

[JB in TV]

NY lossens it's quarantine guidelines:

Andrew Cuomo Defends Ebola Quarantines But Loosens Policy

[cologal]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Has it been proven more than once here in the USA that one Can pass the test today and have a fever tomorrow?
The answer is yes.
The next control point is to quarantine those exposed.....like it or not!
Wait and see is not the way to protect we the people.

We the people have been wrong... Remember the internment camps?

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by cologal

Gracie perhaps you missed the message I posted about my personal experiences with airport security.

Put yourself in her shoes.... she is not sick, no symptoms means she cannot pass the disease to anyone. She has been tested for Ebola with a negative result.

She cared enough to put herself in harms way to help but if she is not symptomatic then putting her in isolation is NOT protecting anyone. She could be at home instead in a tent without a shower and only a porta potty.

I really don't our ideas of right and wrong are that much different however, our understanding of Ebola transmission is completely different. I am also concerned that other medical professionals will respond negatively to these rules...we have a much better keeping this disease away from our shores by treating it in Africa.

We should know more soon if know one gets sick in NYC from the doctor and this nurse remains Ebola free.

Cologal - unfortunately Dr. Spencer used poor judgement and was about and about in NYC after his return from treating Ebola patients. He now is in the hospital fighting for his life. As a direct result the governor's felt this was the only way to control the possibility of potentially spreading this disease. I agree the CDC says you are not infectious until you present with symptoms; however, the CDC has been caught with their pants down too many times trying to deal with this and quite honestly people don't have much faith in anything they say at this point.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by JB in TV

NY lossens it's quarantine guidelines:

Andrew Cuomo Defends Ebola Quarantines But Loosens Policy

This new policy allows you to have visitors during your quarantine period. Sounds more like house arrest than a quarantine. I don't have any answers just thinking out loud each time they make a move. This certainly is too serious an issue to be making it up as we go along.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by cologal

We the people have been wrong... Remember the internment camps?

Though this is a different subject, rest assured that there are those who would disagree with you (and me) that the internment camps were morally repugnant and simply outrageous.

And for those who are not familiar with the history, during World War II we were fighting three primary enemies: Germany, Italy, and Japan. Americans of Japanese descent were rounded up, taken from their homes, businesses, jobs, lives, and put into internment camps for the duration of the war. Rest assured that Americans of German and Italian descent were NOT treated this way!

Racism was alive and well during those times, and in my opinion it is still true today. In recent years I have heard more overt racist remarks here in TV than I had in several decades preceding. But as I said, this is a whole other subject....