[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by janmcn

When doctors volunteer to work for Doctors Without Borders for four or eight weeks, they leave their practice or place of employment for that period of time. A lot of times their families (especially their kids) don't want them to leave for that long. Adding three weeks to an eight week stint would make it out of the question for some who would volunteer.

To say that a young doctor who just returned from working with Ebola patients in Sierra Leone is "very young and it is all about her" is unimaginable.

When a nurse or doctor volunteers to work for Doctors Without Borders they almost always end up in a part of the world that is war torn or disease ridden. I would doubt that person would be cast as selfish or all about themselves. Unimaginable is a good summation.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

When a nurse or doctor volunteers to work for Doctors Without Borders they almost always end up in a part of the world that is war torn or disease ridden. I would doubt that person would be cast as selfish or all about themselves. Unimaginable is a good summation.

Well Chi-town, along with those glorious aspirations of helping the poor and sick comes the reality that part of the deal is to NOT carry their illness back to your family and city and state and country.

It is part of the reality of life. She was complaining about something that was part of her commitment. It sounded good but it was harder than she thought. THAT is the reality of medicine and the reality of life.

[sunnyatlast]

Well, this new law in NJ and NY didn't come about until a nurse from Dallas and a doctor now infected with ebola in NYC showed how people with top-tier educations and medical licenses "self-monitor" or "self quarantine" themselves by going on 4 subway lines, busiest international airports, 2-3 airline flights, (and the Frontier plane then went on 26 flights across the continent before Vinson was diagnosed), etc.

THEY decided they were not a potential contagious disease threat to others, but the doctor in NY certainly was wrong.

They and this nurse in NJ are not the ones who are supposed to be declaring themselves "ebola free" and not contagious before even being tested once and again within 72 hours.

Their individual "rights" to trot all over the place in NY, Newark, Dallas and Cleveland do not supersede the millions of people living and working in those huge metro areas!

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Well Chi-town, along with those glorious aspirations of helping the poor and sick comes the reality that part of the deal is to NOT carry their illness back to your family and city and state and country.

It is part of the reality of life. She was complaining about something that was part of her commitment. It sounded good but it was harder than she thought. THAT is the reality of medicine and the reality of life.

I understand what you are saying GG. But living in a tent with a toilet that doesn't flush and wearing paper clothes could make one a bit testy. She probably had enough of that in Sierra Leone. I wish there were a quicker test to see if someone's infected.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

I understand what you are saying GG. But living in a tent with a toilet that doesn't flush and wearing paper clothes could make one a bit testy. She probably had enough of that in Sierra Leone. I wish there were a quicker test to see if someone's infected.

I wish Doctors Without Borders had monitored a few days and then tested the returning workers THERE, twice and 72 hours apart, before letting them go on airliners thru Brussels, NY, Newark and Washington Dulles, subjecting two other continents to potential carriers of the virus!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

I understand what you are saying GG. But living in a tent with a toilet that doesn't flush and wearing paper clothes could make one a bit testy. She probably had enough of that in Sierra Leone. I wish there were a quicker test to see if someone's infected.

I see your point clearly, and I TOO wish there was a quicker test to see if someone is harboring the virus.

Life moderates young idealistic behavior.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Well, this new law in NJ and NY didn't come about until a nurse from Dallas and a doctor now infected with ebola in NYC showed how people with top-tier educations and medical licenses "self-monitor" or "self quarantine" themselves by going on 4 subway lines, busiest international airports, 2-3 airline flights, (and the Frontier plane then went on 26 flights across the continent before Vinson was diagnosed), etc.

THEY decided they were not a potential contagious disease threat to others, but the doctor in NY certainly was wrong.

They and this nurse in NJ are not the ones who are supposed to be declaring themselves "ebola free" and not contagious before even being tested once and again within 72 hours.

Their individual "rights" to trot all over the place in NY, Newark, Dallas and Cleveland do not supersede the millions of people living and working in those huge metro areas!

Whatever happened to the 200 plus residents of Ohio who were under quarantine after the nurse visited there? Have they been cleared yet? Have any of them developed the disease? Hopefully no snowbirds from Ohio will return to The Villages and start slobbering all over people.

What is plan B if Doctors Without Borders pulls their staff out of these West Africa countries?

Doctors Without Borders slams N.J.'s treatment of Ebola nurse | NJ.com


IMO, an airplane should be chartered to take this young nurse home as soon as she can safely be moved. When she became quarantined, she did not give up her right to free speech. The governor did not think this event was serious enough to stick around NJ.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Whatever happened to the 200 plus residents of Ohio who were under quarantine after the nurse visited there? Have they been cleared yet? Have any of them developed the disease? Hopefully no snowbirds from Ohio will return to The Villages and start slobbering all over people.

What is plan B if Doctors Without Borders pulls their staff out of these West Africa countries?

Doctors Without Borders slams N.J.'s treatment of Ebola nurse | NJ.com


IMO, an airplane should be chartered to take this young nurse home as soon as she can safely be moved. When she became quarantined, she did not give up her right to free speech. The governor did not think this event was serious enough to stick around NJ.

In Ohio they are still under watch..http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/i...o_3_quara.html


As for YOUR wonderful young nurse....Now she has used her right to "lawyer up".

BTW....Nigeria, who has had a much bigger problem with Ebola has a similar problem, a nurse breaking quarantine.

This is how they handled it.

http://saharareporters.com/2014/08/1...cial-ambulance


AN OUNCE of PREVENTION is worth a pound of CURE.
It is better to be safe than sorry.

I am hoping, literally PRAYING for all the people who think we are being way too over cautious to be RIGHT.

[Nightengale212]

Last year I had an outbreak of shingles on the back of my head and was taken out of work for two weeks so I would not be a health threat to the patients in my care and coworkers and was glad to comply with this restriction. This nurse who provided direct care to likely large numbers of ebola patients and her having an issue with being quarantined is beyond belief to this nurse.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Nightengale212

Last year I had an outbreak of shingles on the back of my head and was taken out of work for two weeks so I would not be a health threat to the patients in my care and coworkers and was glad to comply with this restriction. This nurse who provided direct care to likely large numbers of ebola patients and her having an issue with being quarantined is beyond belief to this nurse.

However, I assume you were quarantined in the comfort of your own home and had not just returned from an exhausting volunteer service in Africa.
Not saying if the quarantine of this nurse is right or wrong but can certainly understand her distress and think she should be thanked for her service and maybe shown some compassion.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by gomoho

However, I assume you were quarantined in the comfort of your own home and had not just returned from an exhausting volunteer service in Africa.
Not saying if the quarantine of this nurse is right or wrong but can certainly understand her distress and think she should be thanked for her service and maybe shown some compassion.

Doctors Without Borders, having Total Net Assets of $166,000,000 as a 501c3 organization according to their financial statements, can surely afford to test these workers and provide decent R&R or vacation style lodging for them IN Liberia, Sierra Leone or Guinea, "self quarantining" them in relaxation and relative comfort as a way of saying Thank You for their service.

And surely these host countries could provide some R&R type lodging for these workers for 2-3 weeks of testing and quarantine before getting onto intercontinental, international flights into 2 more continents, as a way of saying Thank You for their free service to the nation.

But that wouldn't make headlines on HuffPo, Drudge, MSNBC, etc.

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.or...l_20140429.pdf

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by dplars

Ask your self this......are you more likely to be infected or beheaded today than six years ago?

Yes, I am.
I was praying at the Syrian border of Israel in Sept watching terrorist bombs explode.
Does the distance of a few hours plane flight make you and your loved ones immune to terror and pestilence?
They can come here as easily as I went there.
Wake up, USA.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by gomoho

However, I assume you were quarantined in the comfort of your own home and had not just returned from an exhausting volunteer service in Africa.
Not saying if the quarantine of this nurse is right or wrong but can certainly understand her distress and think she should be thanked for her service and maybe shown some compassion.

If this nurse's return trip had been booked through Atlanta or Dulles (as Thomas Duncan was) she would be home sleeping in her own bed now. There is no mandatory quarantine in VA or GA, or in Texas where this all started. Just a thought.

[janmcn]

MSF Nurse Held in Isolation in New Jersey | MSF USA


While Gov Cuomo has announced that patients under quarantine can be monitored at home, the MSF nurse is being held in New Jersey in isolation in an unheated tent in a parking lot with paper scrubs and a portable toilet, and no shower.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by janmcn

If this nurse's return trip had been booked through Atlanta or Dulles (as Thomas Duncan was) she would be home sleeping in her own bed now. There is no mandatory quarantine in VA or GA, or in Texas where this all started. Just a thought.

And Doctors Without Borders could advise on all of that.