[ffresh]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Nuclear is the only answer. Yet we haven't built a new reactor since 2016, and the newest one before that went on line in 1996...

...

Overall, at least considering our current technology, I believe you're correct. There is also this rather new development which appears promising:
Small nuclear power reactors - World Nuclear Association

Perhaps, the following has some merit, as far as mobility, but there may not be enough money to be made and control to be gained:

Hydrogen Generators for Cars and Trucks | Hydrogen Cars Now

SuperKit hydrogen generator for cars and trucks with engines up to 8 liters

Fred

[Blackbird45]

We have to take the first step.
Many posts have to do with need and money being spent and the waste of time
There is an old adage "Nothing is for certain except death and taxes".
If the benchmark is this is electrification is a waste, and the adage is true we have wasted billons if not trillions of dollars on trying to find cure for cancer. We're going to die anyway.
Let's hit the golf course.

[Rodneysblue]

Originally Posted by Badger 2006

If you live in a an apartment complex, and for example you are assigned two outside parking spaces, where exactly are you supposed to charge your electric car in the evening and overnight, so one is able to get to work the next day? Since we're supposed to be all electric in the near future, are charging stations to be mandatory at apartment lots and parking structures?

Did you ask management about charging your car. Maybe they have an area already set up for that. Maybe it’s an on demand thing, make a request and they’ll install one at your spot. Or maybe they won’t right now, waiting for demand to increase.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

We have to take the first step.
Many posts have to do with need and money being spent and the waste of time
There is an old adage "Nothing is for certain except death and taxes".
If the benchmark is this is electrification is a waste, and the adage is true we have wasted billons if not trillions of dollars on trying to find cure for cancer. We're going to die anyway.
Let's hit the golf course.

Or the restaurant after reading that entire thread about steak houses

Fred

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

UK and European cities are completely different that most US cities...

They are more walkable, with smaller, purpose oriented food stores. You can't go three blocks in some cities with out passing a bakery, a cheese shop, a butcher, etc...

Granted. They however are more a convenience shop than major shopping places

The mass transit is completely different than in the US...

When did US cities give up the bus, metro, taxi's etc?

Supermarkets? Most people in cities walk to their supermarkets...

Not a chance. Car by majority of supermarket shoppers. Not carrying half a dozen bags home on foot!.

Motorway services? Great, if you're traveling. Don't help at all if you're commuting to work...

We do allow commuters on motorways.
Anyway, EV owners should have charged their batteries overnight!

Parking meter charging? You mean run 220 to all the meters all over town?

I live in a small village, but our nearest large town is already altering its car parks and meters to accommodate EV charging.

Unfortunately, none of that will help the MILLIONS of apartment/condo dwellers in cities...

We're working on that!

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[Nellmack]

Thanks for posting this question, it promotes conversation and that helps move the transition.
I'm on my second electric car. I had the first on for 7 years (135K miles) (original breaks, zero maintenance), the daily charge range was 220 miles. My new electric car has a daily range of 340 miles. I charge at my house and my office. The technology exists to plug into a charging station and the station will recognize your car (and account) and charge you accordingly. I've thought about the "apartment charging situation" and based on my understanding of construction and EVs, I would imagine apartment owners will provide the power grid to each parking spot and the grid will charge your account automatically. There could be a rule in place that your car can be parked in the space and charge for 24 hours (even though you only need 4 hours) after that there would be some kind of fee. The fee would police someone from taking the spot for a week. The cost of the power wiring infrastructure would be build into your electric bill. (still way cheaper than gasoline)

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

Thanks for posting this question, it promotes conversation and that helps move the transition.
I'm on my second electric car. I had the first on for 7 years (135K miles) (original breaks, zero maintenance), the daily charge range was 220 miles. My new electric car has a daily range of 340 miles. I charge at my house and my office. The technology exists to plug into a charging station and the station will recognize your car (and account) and charge you accordingly. I've thought about the "apartment charging situation" and based on my understanding of construction and EVs, I would imagine apartment owners will provide the power grid to each parking spot and the grid will charge your account automatically. There could be a rule in place that your car can be parked in the space and charge for 24 hours (even though you only need 4 hours) after that there would be some kind of fee. The fee would police someone from taking the spot for a week. The cost of the power wiring infrastructure would be build into your electric bill. (still way cheaper than gasoline)

That brings up a good point. If you only have a limited number of charging spaces, the owner will need to move their vehicle to another space after charging it. So, apartment complexes will need to greatly increase the total number of parking spaces to accommodate their residents. Moving vehicles around will be a logistical nightmare. Most apartment complexes I have lived in did not have enough parking spaces when the complex was constructed. They may need to install a charging outlet for every parking space.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

Thanks for posting this question, it promotes conversation and that helps move the transition.
I'm on my second electric car. I had the first on for 7 years (135K miles) (original breaks, zero maintenance), the daily charge range was 220 miles. My new electric car has a daily range of 340 miles. I charge at my house and my office. The technology exists to plug into a charging station and the station will recognize your car (and account) and charge you accordingly. I've thought about the "apartment charging situation" and based on my understanding of construction and EVs, I would imagine apartment owners will provide the power grid to each parking spot and the grid will charge your account automatically. There could be a rule in place that your car can be parked in the space and charge for 24 hours (even though you only need 4 hours) after that there would be some kind of fee. The fee would police someone from taking the spot for a week. The cost of the power wiring infrastructure would be build into your electric bill. (still way cheaper than gasoline)

Please tell us about the economics of charging your car. Unfortunately few people will talk about the electrical cost of charging that allows you to drive say 200 miles

[Nellmack]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Please tell us about the economics of charging your car. Unfortunately few people will talk about the electrical cost of charging that allows you to drive say 200 miles

I'll try to answer your question but please understand that I don't drive an electric car for what I save on electricity. I drive it for #1 performance (it can accelerate to 60 mph in under 2 seconds. I don't drive fast but there are times when that power comes in handy) # 2 the environment.

According to my Tesla App I charge at my house 70% of the time, 3% at Tesla Superchargers, 6% at my office and 21% at my vacation house. I pay $0.15 per kWh everywhere except the Tesla Supercharger, I pay $0.44 per kWh there. I believe a full charge would be 116kWh so if charging from my house it would be 116 x $0.15 = $17.40 for a full charge. You can't take the mileage they publish as gospel because I usually drive about 10mph over the speed limit (which means I use more power). So a full (daily) charge of 340 miles might mean I'll get 315 miles of actual driving. My usual routine is to charge my car like my phone, I plug it in at night and start every day with a full charge. On average I probably use about 30% of my battery every day so 30% of 116kWh is 34.8 kWh x $0.15 = $5.22 for a 30% charge.

I hope this helps.

[HogPilot]

Originally Posted by villageuser

Presently, EV charging stations are being installed at corporate locations, banks, strip malls, etc etc etc. So, there may not be such a big reliance on every apartment complex having one. Regardless, I don’t see that every apartment renter will be able to have their own charging station, so there’ll be a charging station location with a few outlets. Can you imagine people dropping off their car to charge it and then going home to relax and forgetting about their car, and the next person who wants to charge can’t get in cause you got way laid and didn’t go back to move your car? It’ll have to be organized pretty well, with fines imposed for people who over-stay their charging. Anyhow, there are solutions out there. I’m sure they’ll have to be fine-tuned along the way, but we’ll get there. The thing is to think “how do we make this better”, rather than coming up with all the roadblocks to something happening.

I was wondering about that. There is a cost to charge one’s car at the charging station. Once the vehicle is fully charged, I would think that the vehicle would continue to be charged a fee to park at the charging station after it’s finished it’s charging cycle. An incentive to move the vehicle so others can have use of the station. I’m not familiar with the charging app, but I suspect one can monitor the state of charge remotely / wirelessly.

[Blackbird45]

You can throw yourself on the floor, kick and scream all you want but alternate fuel vehicles are on their way sooner than you think.

When cars first appeared, people claimed they were dangerous, sounds familiar, they also complained there was no infrastructure. So, what happen, people found owning a car was easier than owning a horse.

What really made a change was the money. A new market opened, with an investment by the government building new roads (Infrastructure). Car sales, truck sales, gas stations, motels, restaurants, the country expanded overnight.
The money will make the change again. The government again is making an investment in the infrastructure. Established auto companies and startups have invested millions, some car companies claim they will only make electric cars in the near future. Other companies that see a market tied to the EV are and will start popping up all over.

You might not like it, but you can’t hold back the future and the speed of the future is controlled by the amount of money invested.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

I'll try to answer your question but please understand that I don't drive an electric car for what I save on electricity. I drive it for #1 performance (it can accelerate to 60 mph in under 2 seconds. I don't drive fast but there are times when that power comes in handy) # 2 the environment.

According to my Tesla App I charge at my house 70% of the time, 3% at Tesla Superchargers, 6% at my office and 21% at my vacation house. I pay $0.15 per kWh everywhere except the Tesla Supercharger, I pay $0.44 per kWh there. I believe a full charge would be 116kWh so if charging from my house it would be 116 x $0.15 = $17.40 for a full charge. You can't take the mileage they publish as gospel because I usually drive about 10mph over the speed limit (which means I use more power). So a full (daily) charge of 340 miles might mean I'll get 315 miles of actual driving. My usual routine is to charge my car like my phone, I plug it in at night and start every day with a full charge. On average I probably use about 30% of my battery every day so 30% of 116kWh is 34.8 kWh x $0.15 = $5.22 for a 30% charge.

I hope this helps.

Thank you.

Based on your figures, you are spending about 5.5 cents per mile.
$17.40 ÷ 315 miles = $0.055, or 5.5 cents

For a gasoline vehicle, it would be about 13 cents per mile.
$3.25 per gallon ÷ 25 miles per gallon = $0.13, or 13 cents

This assumes that you are charging your vehicle at home for $0.15 per kwh. But, if you go on a long vacation trip, your charging cost will triple, and you will actually be paying more per mile than a gasoline vehicle. Also, people who live in an apartment where they cannot use their in-house electricity, they would also need to pay a higher rate. Is that correct?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

You can throw yourself on the floor, kick and scream all you want but alternate fuel vehicles are on their way sooner than you think.

When cars first appeared, people claimed they were dangerous, sounds familiar, they also complained there was no infrastructure. So, what happen, people found owning a car was easier than owning a horse.

What really made a change was the money. A new market opened, with an investment by the government building new roads (Infrastructure). Car sales, truck sales, gas stations, motels, restaurants, the country expanded overnight.
The money will make the change again. The government again is making an investment in the infrastructure. Established auto companies and startups have invested millions, some car companies claim they will only make electric cars in the near future. Other companies that see a market tied to the EV are and will start popping up all over.

You might not like it, but you can’t hold back the future and the speed of the future is controlled by the amount of money invested.

Alternate fuel vehicles are likely coming but not really sure it will be the ev's they are pushing at us

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Nellmack

I'll try to answer your question but please understand that I don't drive an electric car for what I save on electricity. I drive it for #1 performance (it can accelerate to 60 mph in under 2 seconds. I don't drive fast but there are times when that power comes in handy) # 2 the environment.

According to my Tesla App I charge at my house 70% of the time, 3% at Tesla Superchargers, 6% at my office and 21% at my vacation house. I pay $0.15 per kWh everywhere except the Tesla Supercharger, I pay $0.44 per kWh there. I believe a full charge would be 116kWh so if charging from my house it would be 116 x $0.15 = $17.40 for a full charge. You can't take the mileage they publish as gospel because I usually drive about 10mph over the speed limit (which means I use more power). So a full (daily) charge of 340 miles might mean I'll get 315 miles of actual driving. My usual routine is to charge my car like my phone, I plug it in at night and start every day with a full charge. On average I probably use about 30% of my battery every day so 30% of 116kWh is 34.8 kWh x $0.15 = $5.22 for a 30% charge.

I hope this helps.

I can understand that electric vehicles would help the environment if the electricity for charging the vehicles could be generated from renewable sources, like solar and wind. But, currently, very little of our electricity is generated that way. Couldn't we help the environment more by getting power plants to generate all electricity from renewable souces, especially our houses? You said that you drive an electric vehicle for the environment, but you are charging your vehicle from your house electricity that is most likely generated from fossil fuels. How does that help the environment?

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Alternate fuel vehicles are likely coming but not really sure it will be the ev's they are pushing at us

I agree. But, I don't think the people doing the pushing are doing it to improve the environment.