[Blackbird45]

This country uses more energy than any other, we are not totally independent. It doesn't matter what administration is at the helm sooner or later the black gold will dry up and everyone will blame each other. I don't know if electrification is the final solution but burying your head in the sand until that day comes is not the answer. At the moment we have on the table alternatives, solar, wind, nuclear, they're even trying to capture the energy of waves. There will always be someone telling you that something will never work or it's not worth it. I'm sure there were 2 cave men one saying let put our meat over the fire and the other saying what a waste of time we always eat our meat raw.

[The Chipster]

I have been an EV owner for the past 14 months and am smitten with the driving experience, huge decrease in maintenance costs, zero need for gas, oil changes and tune-ups, no noxious emissions, etc. And my brakes will never wear out due to regenerative braking when you let up on the accelerator pedal. My take on many questions raised here is that we are only at the beginning of a huge transformation in automotive technology, and like all significant transitions there are uncertainties, misinformation and early adopters. For apartment dwellers, there will soon be plenty of fast chargers nearby that will quickly "fill" a car with energy for 200-300 miles of use, plenty for the average Villager for several weeks. In my family, my wife has an ICE (gas) car for longer trips, and we use my I-Pace for most daily driving. I encourage everyone to just go to a dealer and take a test drive in an EV. You will be astounded, as I was.

[MrChipster]

Originally Posted by TeresaE

When Henry Ford develop a system to mass produce the automobile, the government didn’t suddenly mandate their use over horses. The switch came about because it was consumer driven. The infrastructure followed. Consumer choice. This should be the same. If electric cars are the way of the future, it should be driven by consumer choice, never by government mandates. If the electric car reaches the usage that the doomsayers think it should, then the government, by the people for the people, can support it though investing in the infrastructure. Yes it’s a chicken and the egg challenge, but private innovations always trump government interference. In other words, if it’s meant to be, let it be our choice. Don’t shove it down our throats as the solution to our alleged ecological doom. After all, what if we have “the science” wrong.

Remember not long ago Government mandated the elimination of incandescent light bulbs and we were to use CFL (compact fluorescent Light bulbs) but then the unreliability and oh yes Mercury recycling was an unfortunate side effect.

DUHHH.. Of course they knew better than us.

[DonnaNi4os]

Originally Posted by Badger 2006

If you live in a an apartment complex, and for example you are assigned two outside parking spaces, where exactly are you supposed to charge your electric car in the evening and overnight, so one is able to get to work the next day? Since we're supposed to be all electric in the near future, are charging stations to be mandatory at apartment lots and parking structures?

You pose a great question. My daughter works on the advertising campaign for a major car company’s electric vehicle and we have had this discussion. It is something that will eventually need addressing. In the meantime I ponder how Californians will charge their vehicles when they are having such power issues. Inquiring minds want to know.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by MorTech

Their plan is to control energy and food production so they can achieve a total population in the USA of 100M by 2035. That is what they mean by "sustainability". With 100M people in the USA, electric cars will be sustainable along with their "Smart Cities".

The following urls show population forecasts from Deagel.com, an intelligence community asset, similar to Janes Janes | The trusted source for defence and security intelligence .They both have "inside" connections to military/world intelligence. Deagle removed their population forecast for 2025 a couple of years ago - it had created quite a stir - for reasons unstated The US population had been forecast to have a 68% reduction by 2025: United States of America 316,440,000 --> 99,553,100 -68.5. The same forecasts held true for all of the other countries. One can only guess what would cause these massive reductions

https://www.thevoid.uk/void-post/dea...sential-guide/

deagel - Search


Fred

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by The Chipster

I have been an EV owner for the past 14 months and am smitten with the driving experience, huge decrease in maintenance costs, zero need for gas, oil changes and tune-ups, no noxious emissions, etc. And my brakes will never wear out due to regenerative braking when you let up on the accelerator pedal. My take on many questions raised here is that we are only at the beginning of a huge transformation in automotive technology, and like all significant transitions there are uncertainties, misinformation and early adopters. For apartment dwellers, there will soon be plenty of fast chargers nearby that will quickly "fill" a car with energy for 200-300 miles of use, plenty for the average Villager for several weeks. In my family, my wife has an ICE (gas) car for longer trips, and we use my I-Pace for most daily driving. I encourage everyone to just go to a dealer and take a test drive in an EV. You will be astounded, as I was.

A Jaguar that starts out at $72,000, has an 8-year warranty on the battery, with a replacement cost of $25,000 is hardly a vehicle the masses will buy. Until affordable EVs emerge they will never become mainstream.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Somebody in power should be thinking thru the pitfalls before committing us to full speed ahead

OFTEN ... one person's "pitfalls" (we the people) are another's benefit (government) ; I believe it HAS been thoroughly thought through

Fred

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

This country uses more energy than any other, we are not totally independent...

Not true and we were a short time ago; and don't forget that the USA is among the largest of countries in terms of size and industrialization. This status of being, perhaps, the world's largest manufacturer was certainly true until corporations decided it was in their best interests to offshore production to China (for reasons so numerous we can't go into here). Ergo, China is the largest consumer of energy and probably the world's greatest producer of pollution as a result of lax/no laws to minimize it. This means the world's combined pollution has not been eliminated, merely exported to China.

Fred

[Dusty_Star]

Electric cars have a problem, they keep lighting houses on fire. Electric Cars Have One Problem: They Keep Lighting People'''s Houses on Fire

A Tesla spontaneously combusted on Thursday September 15, 2022. By my rough calculation it took around 25,000 gallons of water to extinguish. That amount of water would fill an 18 by 36 pool. Fully Involved Tesla Car Fire Takes Nearly 45 Minutes To Put Down In Fairfield County | Wilton Daily Voice

[raisingJB]

Originally Posted by villageuser

Presently, EV charging stations are being installed at corporate locations, banks, strip malls, etc etc etc. So, there may not be such a big reliance on every apartment complex having one. Regardless, I don’t see that every apartment renter will be able to have their own charging station, so there’ll be a charging station location with a few outlets. Can you imagine people dropping off their car to charge it and then going home to relax and forgetting about their car, and the next person who wants to charge can’t get in cause you got way laid and didn’t go back to move your car? It’ll have to be organized pretty well, with fines imposed for people who over-stay their charging. Anyhow, there are solutions out there. I’m sure they’ll have to be fine-tuned along the way, but we’ll get there. The thing is to think “how do we make this better”, rather than coming up with all the roadblocks to something happening.

Super chargers have idle fees which are much more expensive than the fee for actually charging.

[raisingJB]

Originally Posted by defrey12

Well, that’s just stupid. I have to leave my house to charge my car?! NEVER going to happen! OH! Let’s not forget they have to burn fossil fuels to generate the electricity…solar and wind are still basically “negative sum” systems. And all those supposed charging stations? Whose paying for them? And the electricity coming out of them? I have yet to see a credit card slot. I’ve looked. Oh, the government is taking care that? Are they going to pay my gasoline bill as well?

Tesla Super Chargers don't have credit card slots. When the car is plugged in, it passes the VIN number to the charger. The credit card of the registered owner is then billed when the charging session is over.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

in 1973, there was an oil embargo imposed by members of the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries this led to fuel shortages and sky-high prices, people had to wait on long lines. In some states, consumers could only purchase gas every other day, based on whether the last digit of their license plate numbers was even or odd. The gasoline shortage also led to fears that heating oil might be in short supply through the 1979-1980 winter. Russia is more or less doing the same thing now.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want to see this country bend the knee every time some country deicides to cut off the spigot. Electrification just might be our way to independence.

We have more oil here than the Saudi's do...

[ohioshooter]

I’m staying out of this discussion. There is no winning side.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

No negativity on this thread then!
What happened to the Great American "Can do?"
In UK electric car charging points at being located in many places.
Supermarkets, purpose built charging stations, motor way services, parking meters with a charging points attached etc.
UK and Europe seem to be light years ahead of US these days!

UK and European cities are completely different that most US cities...

They are more walkable, with smaller, purpose oriented food stores. You can't go three blocks in some cities with out passing a bakery, a cheese shop, a butcher, etc...

The mass transit is completely different than in the US...

Supermarkets? Most people in cities walk to their supermarkets...

Motorway services? Great, if you're traveling. Don't help at all if you're commuting to work...

Parking meter charging? You mean run 220 to all the meters all over town?

Unfortunately, none of that will help the MILLIONS of apartment/condo dwellers in cities...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

This country uses more energy than any other, we are not totally independent. It doesn't matter what administration is at the helm sooner or later the black gold will dry up and everyone will blame each other. I don't know if electrification is the final solution but burying your head in the sand until that day comes is not the answer. At the moment we have on the table alternatives, solar, wind, nuclear, they're even trying to capture the energy of waves. There will always be someone telling you that something will never work or it's not worth it. I'm sure there were 2 cave men one saying let put our meat over the fire and the other saying what a waste of time we always eat our meat raw.

Nuclear is the only answer. Yet we haven't built a new reactor since 2016, and the newest one before that went on line in 1996...

There are two being built in GA, with plans to go on line in 2023...

No where near enough...