[Swoop]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Because it is radioactive. It has to be kept cooled, and that involves water.

Nothing in your post is true. “To be clear the water (currently) being discharged to Port Manatee is not radioactive. It is primarily saltwater from the Port Manatee dredge project mixed with legacy process water and stormwater runoff. … The primary concern is nutrients.”

[blueash]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

316 families within a half mile. Always, always good to save money, somehow, some way, you never know when some disaster will strike and you might need shelter. The government is NOT your mother.

Actually government in some situations is your mother. When you lived in Ohio and needed your streets plowed, the government did it. When you needed fire or police, the government provided that. When your daughter needed help with her education, the government was there to back up whatever private resources you provided. The government subsidized the schools and the education of the teachers. The government made sure your water was potable and the air non-poisonous. The meat wasn't filled with maggots and the restaurants you visited kept roaches out of your salad.

You love that our local government, the CDD, get into the nitty gritty of forcing people to trim their bushes and paint their houses the correct color. I bet you expect the CDD wouldn't let a toxic waste lake exist a 1/2 mile from your home and would demand that if it did exist it be kept from leaking or flooding your home. Yes the government is your mother, sometimes. And that's a good thing. Trim those bushes and pull those weeds is a much more involved and intrusive government than protect me from toxic waste and flooding from a man made lake.

And when the government said it was ok to dig a mine and extract materials which left toxic waste, it took on some responsibility to be sure that the toxic waste was not dumped into your yard. When the business that did the mining reneged on its requirement to manage the toxic waste it then becomes the obligation of the government to force the business to comply or fix the problem any other way it sees fit.

And whose fanny was seated in the Governor's seat when this all began?

You asked who the governors were that have let this situation incubate since the mine closed in 2001: that would be Jeb Bush (R) 2001-2007, Charlie Crist (R) 2007-2011, Rick Scott (R) 2011 -2019, Ron DeSantis (R) 2019 -present

If you want to know who were the Manatee County Supervisors during this time, Google can tell you. 2020 2016 2012 You can find the rest going back if you care to know.

[daddymac1127]

Totally agree that it is the government's obligation to make industry maintain and correct the situation.

It also is not the homeowner's fault that the current situation exists. They definitely should be fully compensated if not by the industry then at least helped out by the government. Government should be reimbursed by the industry.

Oh wait a minute, i am talking common sense and common decency here.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

Actually government in some situations is your mother. When you lived in Ohio and needed your streets plowed, the government did it. When you needed fire or police, the government provided that. When your daughter needed help with her education, the government was there to back up whatever private resources you provided. The government subsidized the schools and the education of the teachers. The government made sure your water was potable and the air non-poisonous. The meat wasn't filled with maggots and the restaurants you visited kept roaches out of your salad.

You love that our local government, the CDD, get into the nitty gritty of forcing people to trim their bushes and paint their houses the correct color. I bet you expect the CDD wouldn't let a toxic waste lake exist a 1/2 mile from your home and would demand that if it did exist it be kept from leaking or flooding your home. Yes the government is your mother, sometimes. And that's a good thing. Trim those bushes and pull those weeds is a much more involved and intrusive government than protect me from toxic waste and flooding from a man made lake.

And when the government said it was ok to dig a mine and extract materials which left toxic waste, it took on some responsibility to be sure that the toxic waste was not dumped into your yard. When the business that did the mining reneged on its requirement to manage the toxic waste it then becomes the obligation of the government to force the business to comply or fix the problem any other way it sees fit.


You asked who the governors were that have let this situation incubate since the mine closed in 2001: that would be Jeb Bush (R) 2001-2007, Charlie Crist (R) 2007-2011, Rick Scott (R) 2011 -2019, Ron DeSantis (R) 2019 -present

If you want to know who were the Manatee County Supervisors during this time, Google can tell you. 2020 2016 2012 You can find the rest going back if you care to know.

This really feels political. This seems to be carefully watched at this time by Governor Desantis and his staff and the national guard has been called in. The "toxicity" from ground chemicals seems to not be very dangerous. Do you think that people caused this on purpose? Do you think the fertilizer manufacturers were given a pass for political reasons? Do you have something that supports that the acidity/alkalinity of this water can cause Red Tide? We all read this and were duly alarmed. I thought the big wave from this breach would affect the surrounding counties at first. That doesn't seem to be the case. 316 homes have been evacuated. I am missing your point. You may have missed mine. I am very careful with money. Even when we had very little, we saved (very little) so that if a tire needed replaced, a holiday approached for our littles that needed extra cash, or a disaster required us to stay at a hotel for a few days we could do it without immediate financial help from the government. You will say something about minimum wage and I will say something about two jobs and long hours. We are on different pages Doctor. You are brilliant and dedicated and blessed to not only been born with great intelligence but had the personal responsibility to diligently study for years and years. I respect you and your expertise. I understand your worry about this environmental issue. I am very worried about certain issues more than others too, just like everyone else. We all must try to see all things in their proper perspective. On an unrelated matter; Did you see Sixty minutes last night? Did you read the article from CNN this morning. It was fair. Sixty minutes was not fair. Equal money was given to BOTH campaigns.

It would be so good to not be barraged all of the time with opinions. OPINIONS...where facts are maximized or minimized. Most of us are aware and worried about Climate change and how industry affects it. WE STILL NEED INDUSTRY.

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Industry does not affect climate. The sun, or the lack of sunlight controls the climate. Industry & humans affects pollution.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No action was taken because politics.

This is a problem that's existed since 1995. There's a newspaper article dated 2003 about the state government (at the time) making the right sounds about doing something, but then delaying the consequences to give Mulberry Group a chance to back out and walk away from the problem. Which is exactly what happened.

When the utilities threatened to shut the power off (thus making it impossible to adequately cool and safely control the stacks and flow of refuse drainage), the owner (Mulberry) declared bankruptcy and just let it happen. And so did the state government. And the voters continued voting for people who would continue to allow this to fester
and become worse.

Now you're seeing the consequences of inaction. You're seeing the consequences of living in a bubble and rejecting the reality that surrounds it.

Gov. DeSantis directs Florida to close Piney Point wastewater reservoir after averting disaster

And just FYI ... It was NOT the result of mining. They were manufacturing fertilizer.