[gpirate]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Justjim: Let me be honest with you. I would not agree to a single penny of tax other than that which would be required to defend this nation from enemies foreign or domestic and additional amounts I deem necessary for the common good. Why? Because our tax system is riddled with greed, poor accounting, poor budgeting, poor estimating and a never ending appetite for more and more tax money that will continue with wasteful spending and/or placed in people's pockets for political favors.

The Internet tax is misrepresented because it doesn't recognize that states vary in laws and regulations and the internet tax is going to end up costing consumers. Keep in mind many states because of their irresponsible fiscal policies are in dire straits and are going to mine for more tax money anyway they can. what they won't do, like the federal government, is cut back spending.

Sooooo I keep repeating it is not my patriotic duty to pay my taxes as a defense against irresponsible spending

You could not state it any better. If the govt. would clean up their act we could reduce taxes. This would help all businesses.

[carm310]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

And for minorities, gays, old, and sick people this country was a living hell.
Tax codes are in need of help, but without taxes, hundreds of thousands would be forced back into the old times when life was terrible unless you fell into a category of well off white men and their families. I was fortunate enough be in the good ole boy group. Ask a minority who lived through the 50's in this country how great it was.

I am all for taxes to benefit people of all walks of life and society as a whole, Many (maybe most) in the poem are necessary for society to function and I think we are better off than 100 years ago. The list is long and some, well I question whether they are truly needed. We are just hit from all sides and some states get you get hit more than others. I wonder sometimes if it just can't be simplified more. I admit I don't know a lot about this subject, there are many sides to a story and I appreciate the views expressed through this forum. I learn a lot by "listening" to others.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by carm310

I am all for taxes to benefit people of all walks of life and society as a whole, Many (maybe most) in the poem are necessary for society to function and I think we are better off than 100 years ago. The list is long and some, well I question whether they are truly needed. We are just hit from all sides and some states get you get hit more than others. I wonder sometimes if it just can't be simplified more. I admit I don't know a lot about this subject, there are many sides to a story and I appreciate the views expressed through this forum. I learn a lot by "listening" to others.

I served for 10 years as a government contracting officer. Tax dollars are being wasted by the government agencies at an a pace that is unbelievable. Unfortunately the fraud in the federal government is of very little concern to our elected officials regardless of party. Clean up most of the corruption in government spending and in my experienced opinion, taxes to citizens could be REDUCED dramatically.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

Against any additional taxes to the people. America continues to tax people, and waste more. The more they collect, the more is wasted. We would be a stronger people with a flat rate only tax, and let the people use their monies for their needs.

[zcaveman]

I am against the current proposal for internet sales tax. If anything the tax should go to the state that the product is purchased in. When I travel to another state and purchase a product, I pay the sales tax in that state. Therefore when I buy a product on the internet, I should have to pay the sales tax in that state and they should collect the tax.

Why should my home state receive the sales tax from something I buy in another state?

Am I missing something here?

Z

[Shimpy]

[QUOTE=rubicon;695667 People who play lotteries are in fact freely paying taxes. [/QUOTE]

A friend of mine used to say the lottery was a tax on the stupid.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

It's the responsibility of the buyer to pay state taxes, not the seller. Why should the seller be put in the position, yet again, of being an unpaid taxman for Uncle Sam?

Because if you purchase something from a local small business (XYZ bike shop) they have to pay the sales tax. If you purchase the same item on the Internet, often nobody pays and that is a huge advantage for the e-tailer. Let's level the playing field for local business.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

I am against the current proposal for internet sales tax. If anything the tax should go to the state that the product is purchased in. When I travel to another state and purchase a product, I pay the sales tax in that state. Therefore when I buy a product on the internet, I should have to pay the sales tax in that state and they should collect the tax.

Why should my home state receive the sales tax from something I buy in another state?

Am I missing something here?

Z

If you were a local small business you would understand. The e-tailer business (such as Amazon) can sell their product at a cheaper price because they do not have to pay any sales tax. If any tax liability is required it is put on the buyer. However, most of the time, nothing is paid and this is a huge disadvantage to the "local mom & pop" shops. Small business already has tremendous competition from the local big box stores. I was afraid that this discussion could get political and have done my best to be an advocate for local small businesses and not at all get political. To me its not at all political----it more a David vs. Goliath Issue.

[gpirate]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Don't we wish the taxers were even near as prompt in paying their own taxes as they are about trying to tax more:

Federal Employees Owed $3.5 Billion In Back Taxes In 2011: IRS

Amen by man.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by justjim

If you were a local small business you would understand. The e-tailer business (such as Amazon) can sell their product at a cheaper price because they do not have to pay any sales tax. If any tax liability is required it is put on the buyer. However, most of the time, nothing is paid and this is a huge disadvantage to the "local mom & pop" shops. Small business already has tremendous competition from the local big box stores. I was afraid that this discussion could get political and have done my best to be an advocate for local small businesses and not at all get political. To me its not at all political----it more a David vs. Goliath Issue.

The e-tailer often reduces the item price to compensate for the shipping costs the customer will have to pay in addition to the selling price.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by gpirate

Amen by man.

Just quickly reading that fed employees owe a certain amount in back taxes really becomes meaningless when you actually open the link and actually read it. There is a telling gem in the first couple of paragraphs

" Overall, the 9.8 million workers included in the data had a delinquency rate of 3.2 percent. That's better than the general public. The IRS says the delinquency rate for the general public was 8.2 percent.

So one could easily argue that fed employees are much better in their civic duty to pay taxes than their privately employed brothers and sisters.

Can I get another amen?

[Ron1Z]

Doesn't matter here in Delaware we have no sales tax. Also here in Sussex County the property taxes have remained the same for the past 24 years. Someone is doing something right.

[DaleMN]

Don't raise my taxes but by God you better keep the street in front of my house nice and smooth, you better defend me against enemies, you better put a fire out if my house ignites, i better be able to flush my toilet, kids better be able to afford college, there better not be terrorists on my plane, the snow better be plowed, i better not be in danger because of drunk drivers, you better try to bring business and growth to my community, i better see a Fourth of July parade. But dammit don't raise my taxes.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Don't raise my taxes but by God you better keep the street in front of my house nice and smooth, you better defend me against enemies, you better put a fire out if my house ignites, i better be able to flush my toilet, kids better be able to afford college, there better not be terrorists on my plane, the snow better be plowed, i better not be in danger because of drunk drivers, you better try to bring business and growth to my community, i better see a Fourth of July parade. But dammit don't raise my taxes.

Dale, you make some good points----we sometimes want "services" but then complain about having to pay for them. Look at us here in TV. Wow, you talk about having services (also could be called amenities). This is why most of us live here---correct? As I have tried to explain, an Internet tax isn't exactly raising taxes, it's an attempt to level the playing field and provide a mechanism to collect sales tax that the local small business in most states must pay and this legislation would require the large e-tailer to do likewise. Personally, my wife and I enjoy the small shops around the squares here in TV and those in Smallville and Largeville around the country. However, over 60% of the people in our country shop WalMart and the large E-tailers. The small farms are all gone---perhaps in the near future---the small shops! Progress.

[KeepingItReal]

[QUOTE=Monkei;696309]Just quickly reading that fed employees owe a certain amount in back taxes really becomes meaningless when you actually open the link and actually read it. There is a telling gem in the first couple of paragraphs

" Overall, the 9.8 million workers included in the data had a delinquency rate of 3.2 percent. That's better than the general public. The IRS says the delinquency rate for the general public was 8.2 percent.

So one could easily argue that fed employees are much better in their civic duty to pay taxes than their privately employed brothers and sisters.

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Federal employees are paid from our taxes, they actually are paid from the pool we all have to keep filling, private employees at least usually are not.

Another article on this subject:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articl...ons.aspx#page1


How is this even possible, taken from link above:

That includes $833,970 in unpaid taxes from 36 White House aides—an irony that was not lost on dozens of mostly conservative Web sites who classified it as ludicrous that despite President Obama’s recent calls for every American to “pay their fair share” in taxes, members of his own inner circle weren’t obliging. The IRS audit also showed House and Senate staffers owed $10.6 million in back taxes, Health and Human Services staffers owed $41 million, and Environmental Protection Agency staffers owed $19 million.
Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articl...qyC2VTqxccO.99




Also did we miss this, would we not normally expect better from the higher paid:

According to BEA data, the average federal employee salary in 2010 was $83,679 and $51,986 for the average private sector salary.

When benefits are added in, the average compensation for each federal employee comes to $126,141. For private sector workers, the average compensation package, including benefits, was $62,757 for the same year.

In other words, the federal government often pays salaries that are higher than the private sector at the lower end of the skill levels required and often pays lower salaries than the private sector when more complex skills are required.