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Old 02-16-2018, 08:05 AM
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The parents of these 17 beautiful children could be what we need to get the Politicians to do something.

Organize and the movement will grow and then the Politicians will have to pass laws to ban these assault weapons.
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Ah yes Australia. I believe that is where you are required to have a job before you immigrate...and U.K.? They have bombs and lots of Muslim extremists who run over folks with trucks and Norway? Same there, They have a very difficult time with people moving in to get their social programs. Taxes are very high there as a result. Japan. I don't know. They have lots of rules and people seem to respect them. I like that.
Not sure what immigration has to do with American kids killing American kids with assault weapons ? Those kind of deaths far, far out weigh any immigrant related killings...BY FAR.

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The parents of these 17 beautiful children could be what we need to get the Politicians to do something.



Organize and the movement will grow and then the Politicians will have to pass laws to ban these assault weapons.


Look what MADD did for the public perception of drunken driving.


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PLEASE BE AWARE, if you have not been paying attention the last few months.

Distribution of false info from the same old source continues unabated

Taking advantage of this horrible event.

After Florida school shooting, Russian bots push gun hashtags - CNET
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Not sure what immigration has to do with American kids killing American kids with assault weapons ? Those kind of deaths far, far out weigh any immigrant related killings...BY FAR.
I agree.
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After Florida school shooting, Russian bots push gun hashtags - CNET
But, but there was no Russian meddling.............
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If anyone is interested, here's the list of the "shootings" that are tracked.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/here...eaks-down.html
This list reminds me of when one lumps together stats for child molestation, with rape incidences, with people who are sexually harassed in a work place and/or engage in sexual acts to better their career and then call it rape.

Just my opinion, but it is mixing apples with oranges and attempts to negate the real horror of one situation over another. For example, a school yard fight where 2 sides knowingly engage and someone gets shot is not the same as innocent children being gunned down for no reason. They both are horrible for sure, but not the same on many fronts. To lump them together is an insult to the innocent.
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Distribution of false info from the same old source continues unabated

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After Florida school shooting, Russian bots push gun hashtags - CNET
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Ah yes Australia. I believe that is where you are required to have a job before you immigrate...and U.K.? They have bombs and lots of Muslim extremists who run over folks with trucks and Norway? Same there, They have a very difficult time with people moving in to get their social programs. Taxes are very high there as a result. Japan. I don't know. They have lots of rules and people seem to respect them. I like that.
Much of your information is incorrect! Please give the research sites you used to come to your conclusions. If you cannot do so I will give you some sites which might be of use to you in your quest for knowledge.
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"AR-15 style" semi-automatic rifles are the most popular sporting rifle in America with about 60% of rifle sales. Ego and mayhem are not the reasons why a large number of people own this rifle. Identifying those with mental health problems and keeping all firearms (the vast majority of which are also semi-automatic) out of their hands is the real issue. Focusing on a "scary looking" semi-automatic rifle when the vast majority of all firearms are semi-automatic is ignoring the real problem. If we could magically make all AR-15 style rifles disappear tomorrow, another semi-automatic rifle would appear in the headlines. Also, as tragic and heart breaking as mass killings are, particularly when children are involved, they account for a small percentage of firearm related deaths. Approximately 60% of all gun deaths are suicide (about 33,000 gun deaths and about 22,000 are suicides). Again, we have a mental health issue. Another problem is mass killings capture all the headlines while one at a time killings are essentially ignored. What just happened in FL in one day happens in Chicago every week. The vast majority of firearm killings are with handguns. Rifles account for a very small percentage. The real issues are handguns and mental health. We should, as a nation, focus on that and provide better security in schools since they are vulnerable.

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People are more concerned about their individual rights than the greater good. The second amendment gives them a right to own a gun and so they are going to have one. The first amendment gives them a right to say hateful things and so they are going to do it. Americans are a very entitled people, just as we are viewed by the rest of the world. The only way this will change is if enough people contact their politicians and vote out those who are resistant. There is no logical reason for people to need an AR-15 other than ego or mayhem.

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"AR-15 style" semi-automatic rifles are the most popular sporting rifle in America with about 60% of rifle sales. Ego and mayhem are not the reasons why a large number of people own this rifle. Identifying those with mental health problems and keeping all firearms (the vast majority of which are also semi-automatic) out of their hands is the real issue. Focusing on a "scary looking" semi-automatic rifle when the vast majority of all firearms are semi-automatic is ignoring the real problem. If we could magically make all AR-15 style rifles disappear tomorrow, another semi-automatic rifle would appear in the headlines. Also, as tragic and heart breaking as mass killings are, particularly when children are involved, they account for a small percentage of firearm related deaths. Approximately 60% of all gun deaths are suicide (about 33,000 gun deaths and about 22,000 are suicides). Again, we have a mental health issue. Another problem is mass killings capture all the headlines while one at a time killings are essentially ignored. What just happened in FL in one day happens in Chicago every week. The vast majority of firearm killings are with handguns. Rifles account for a very small percentage. The real issues are handguns and mental health. We should, as a nation, focus on that and provide better security in schools since they are vulnerable.
So we just go round and round and no one agrees on anything.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:14 AM
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I mostly stated facts (with a few opinions tossed in). The facts don't have to be agreed on: they stand by themselves as the truth. My opinions are another issue. Unfortunately nothing will change.

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Old 02-16-2018, 09:22 AM
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So we just go round and round and no one agrees on anything.
I think everyone wishes that no one would use guns to harm others.

I think this issue boils down to realistic vs. unrealistic.

If we somehow disarmed every person in this country, (by the way we aren't gun owners) then within a few hours, the unscrupulous would be rearmed. We have laws against drugs and people are dying from Heroin overdoses on an epidemic level.

It isn't that we don't share the same goals, no one we know ever wants innocent people harmed, but what is realistic? I can't imagine how a law could be phrased or implemented; would they go in and search peoples homes?

I think we need to realize that the second amendment is gonna stay. I know that many older and sick people, especially those that have moved here from large metropolitan areas feel safer having a fire arm. Most law abiding people who own fire arms will never cause harm to another.

And the evil, bad people will continue to harm, kill, hurt, rob and shoot innocent people.

When I was small, mentally ill people were put into an asylum, locked up. That in itself is scary. Most of us know someone who has mental health issues and just how to identify someone who could cause potential harm to others is very difficult to define and difficult to act upon.

I think that the whole issue is complicated and the people who argue for stricter gun laws think it is doable. I don't.

Again. Growing up where we lived the only people who had guns were those who hunted. It has been an eye opener moving here.

People who grow older and can't run or fight like they used to fear home invasions. I understand that, and that is the reason they moved here to a low crime area.

Things could change and the second amendment makes it so that if a person feels they should own a gun, can.

I understand your feelings and your view. I am not a gun owner. It is just not realistic to try to disarm people now. Half the country owns guns
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In my opinion, not enough has been said about the reluctance of seeing something and saying something.

The reluctance is directly proportional to our much more permissive culture as well as the fear of retribution.

Hence nothing gets said/done. However, the post event commentary certainly corroborates that much was seen by many.

This situation, like the mental health issue is impeded by the current need for political identity and the obsession with individuals first and the greater good secondary.
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