[dadspet]

The students are on the right path with marches and #gunreformnow. The students must become the moving force for gun control since adults don't seem to think its important and the government refuses to take any meaningful action. The killing of innocent people with weapons of war has become all too normal in our society and its time for people to demand reform from their elected officials. The common shootings are crazy and changing our society. It really hard for me to believe there are people can actually think no gun reform is needed. Would they think the same if it was their child or loved one shot?

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by jebartle

You seem to be an authority on guns, do AR-15s require special bullets or magazines, maybe that is where we should start with BANS.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING should also be the best option until laws are updated. Let's face it, give all of us innocent people a chance to defend ourselves. When even bump-stocks have not been banned because the NRA owns our congress, it's time for our state reps and senators to REALLY represent us!!! Is this even possible before we bury some more children. The world is watching and so are our kids. Wake up America!

Wrong, Wrong, WRONG.

Bump stocks were ruled legal by Obama's ATF.

Here is part of the NRA position on bump stocks: "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."

You can find the statement on the NRA web site.

As I said earlier, no gun ban can eliminate all deadly weapons. The real answer is to harden the target; entry control, multiple armed security personnel.

[Wiotte]

All this reminds me of our perception of driving drunk prior to MADD grass roots pioneers becoming a serious political movement who literally changed how Americans and law enforcement viewed DWI. It will take the same impetus to change our view of firearms designed to kill people, not game animals. Mess with affluent people as was the case with the recent mass shooting and this may be the tipping point that will put our country on par with other 1st world countries. I can only hope.







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[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by jj6426

Can someone explain to me how our politicians are indebted to the NRA? I'm not sure I understand it---only that these politicians will not criticize the NRA even if they secretly believe that the gun laws are not effective. Is it just the money? Is it because the NRA subsidizes certain candidates and their parties?

The NRA has a political action arm, the Institute for Legislative Action. It engages in campaigning for Second Amendment issues. It contributes to the campaign chests of legislative candidates who are pro-Second Amendment.

This operates identically with hundreds of other special interest groups who target their contributions toward candidates with whom they agree.

You will find many hunters and police officers are members of the NRA. For decades the NRA has offered hunter safety courses; police marksmanship courses; and gun safety at home courses.

On your other subject, there is no conceivable gun law that could be written that would prevent people from acquiring guns and using them to kill people. Not even an outright ban on all firearms. There are many millions of firearms and rounds of ammunition in circulation in the United States. Banning them would just create a Black Market. (Remember how Prohibition worked?)

We must "harden the targets." Have controlled access at schools; use metal detectors; have many armed security personnel. Israel made this system work. We can too.

[ColdNoMore]

A must read for those interested in facts...and the history of the NRA.

National Rifle Association'''s Change on Gun Control in 1970s | Time

The NRA’s opposition to gun control, however, is only a few decades , according to Adam Winkler author of the book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America. “Historically,” writes Winkler, “the leadership of the NRA was more open-minded about gun control than someone familiar with the modern NRA might imagine.”

Not only did the NRA support gun control for much of the 20th century, its leadership in fact lobbied for and co-authored gun control legislation.

Another one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6e5869b2e11b

The testimony of one man — now all but forgotten — stood out.

“I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons,” said Karl T. Frederick, according to a transcript of the hearings. “I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”

Frederick’s words were notable then, and especially now, because of who he was: the president of the National Rifle Association.

Today, in the wake of yet another horrific mass shooting, this time Parkland, Fla., it’s difficult to find any reference to Frederick on the NRA’s website, and it would be impossible to locate anyone connected with the organization who would say anything close to what Frederick did in confronting a crisis.

[DeanFL]

I, for one, am proud of these 'kids' who are standing up and voicing re this horrible issue.

This is the Millennial generation who....
- samples Tide pods
- is self-absorbed narcissism and sheltered
- has social media a huge part of life
- expects silver-platter entitilement
- is the "I" generation
- shows grammar is not important

perhaps a short list... and on and on....

BUT- THEY will be a HUGE voter group very soon, and our elected officials will take notice.

From what I have heard -on news and such- these 'kids' are idealistic but hopefully will grow in numbers to impact some positive change on this huge national issue. I may not agree with all their demands etc, but good for them to be out there. I sure respect that.

[Taltarzac725]

kare11.com | Student's invention protects his school

This is a useful invention by a kid who came up with something that might lower the number of people hurt or killed in these shootings.

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I, for one, am proud of these 'kids' who are standing up and voicing re this horrible issue.

This is the Millennial generation who....
- samples Tide pods
- is self-absorbed narcissism and sheltered
- has social media a huge part of life
- expects silver-platter entitilement
- is the "I" generation
- shows grammar is not important

perhaps a short list... and on and on....

BUT- THEY will be a HUGE voter group very soon, and our elected officials will take notice.

From what I have heard -on news and such- these 'kids' are idealistic but hopefully will grow in numbers to impact some positive change on this huge national issue. I may not agree with all their demands etc, but good for them to be out there. I sure respect that.

I think it is unfair to generalize all kids. We did some pretty stupid things in our youth also but the difference is now everything is online for the world to see and judge. I really pity these kids.

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by fw102807

I think it is unfair to generalize all kids. We did some pretty stupid things in our youth also but the difference is now everything is online for the world to see and judge. I really pity these kids.

Perhaps unfair....but groups of people are ALWAYS generalized - fair or not. We, as a group of TVrs are generalized as well, as are Floridians, Muslims, Gen Xrs, and on and on. I simply stated my opinion of factors this group seems to be associated with in many publications et al.

I don't necessarily pity them, but as mentioned before, support them and their general cause with this issue.

[cologal]

I heard today the Florida Legislature, with the Parkland students in attendance, refused to discuss a ban on Assault weapons but later in the day, debated a bill that declares porn a public health risk.

Just reporting not commenting!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by cologal

I heard today the Florida Legislature, with the Parkland students in attendance, refused to discuss a ban on Assault weapons but later in the day, debated a bill that declares porn a public health risk.

Just reporting not commenting!

Well porn kills.

[8notes]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

I, for one, am proud of these 'kids' who are standing up and voicing re this horrible issue.

This is the Millennial generation who....
- samples Tide pods
- is self-absorbed narcissism and sheltered
- has social media a huge part of life
- expects silver-platter entitilement
- is the "I" generation
- shows grammar is not important

perhaps a short list... and on and on....

BUT- THEY will be a HUGE voter group very soon, and our elected officials will take notice.

From what I have heard -on news and such- these 'kids' are idealistic but hopefully will grow in numbers to impact some positive change on this huge national issue. I may not agree with all their demands etc, but good for them to be out there. I sure respect that.

Me too. Our generation had tremendous power when we resisted the Viet Nam war. Hopefully these kids will be able to have influence on important issues of our times.

[8notes]

Originally Posted by Villagesperson

Posted only for context.....you obviously read it and that is great....so you know it is not simply "Bump stocks were ruled legal by Obama's ATF." which is misleading about the policy and actual happenings.

Just for context because deciding it could not do something legally was left out of the original post

Thanks for clarifying. Cleary there were limits to what could be accomplished under the previous administration, when they had to deal with an obstructionist congress.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Well porn kills.

Love it!!! Your post not the other!

[Fredster]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

A must read for those interested in facts...and the history of the NRA.

National Rifle Association'''s Change on Gun Control in 1970s | Time




Another one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6e5869b2e11b

I do believe the NRA’s defense of second ammendment rights is relatively recent!
Since it coincides with the attack on those rights by
the political left!