[sajoe]

Things we should all agree on: this was every parents nightmare, the person that did this had a tragic life, should of had help and should never had a gun. Unfortunately, to address these issues an unemotional and unpolitical evaluation must be done and this is less possible now than ever. A few points to keep in mind: there was violence before firearms and will exist as long as there are people, our laws are based on crime and punishment and innocent until proven guilty and these basics no longer seem to apply, when I was growing up the choice of mass murderers was arson, fully automatic (assault weapons) and semi automatic weapons have been in existence for about 120 years so why are they so abused now? what good is more laws that the people are not willing to enforce?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by sajoe

Things we should all agree on: this was every parents nightmare, the person that did this had a tragic life, should of had help and should never had a gun. Unfortunately, to address these issues an unemotional and unpolitical evaluation must be done and this is less possible now than ever. A few points to keep in mind: there was violence before firearms and will exist as long as there are people, our laws are based on crime and punishment and innocent until proven guilty and these basics no longer seem to apply, when I was growing up the choice of mass murderers was arson, fully automatic (assault weapons) and semi automatic weapons have been in existence for about 120 years so why are they so abused now? what good is more laws that the people are not willing to enforce?

Very few people had access to what would have been in the 1917 described as machine guns. There was a horrible war then where many people were at an impasse because of how many machine guns were available to the various sides. machine gun | History, Description, & Facts | Britannica.com

The History of Machine Guns and Semi-automatic Weapons - What's the difference between a semi-automatic weapon and a machine gun? | HowStuffWorks

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Very few people had access to what would have been in the 1917 described as machine guns. There was a horrible war then where many people were at an impasse because of how many machine guns were available to the various sides. machine gun | History, Description, & Facts | Britannica.com

The History of Machine Guns and Semi-automatic Weapons - What's the difference between a semi-automatic weapon and a machine gun? | HowStuffWorks

It is more horrible to have a child die than to die yourself. There should be NO stone left unturned and no expense spared to protect our nations students from ever letting this happen again. There should be all reasonable scenarios on the table. By reasonable, I would like to know what plans someone would have who suggests disarming unethical law breakers who have NO conscience. It is already illegal to use drugs. It certainly has not stopped drugs from being widely used and thousands of people dying from heroin
overdose in the last few years.

I think we need to move on to having guards who know how to use firearms and are decent law abiding people.

[Steve9930]

Columbine, April 20, 1999. Columbine High School massacre - Wikipedia. This story is the same for every incident. Some one always knows something, the individuals are mentally ill, and get their inspiration from society. Harden the targets and live each day as if some one is in the planing stage. If we do not then its just a matter of time.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Columbine, April 20, 1999. Columbine High School massacre - Wikipedia. This story is the same for every incident. Some one always knows something, the individuals are mentally ill, and get their inspiration from society. Harden the targets and live each day as if some one is in the planing stage. If we do not then its just a matter of time.

And the jack jawing about needing to do something is the same. And as history has shown there will be nothing of consequence accomplished by the politicians and special interest folks.....again.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by billethkid

And the jack jawing about needing to do something is the same. And as history has shown there will be nothing of consequence accomplished by the politicians and special interest folks.....again.

I believe this is wrong. Something will happen this time around. You have a very large group of activists who remember just that. Columbine did not change much of anything. Nor did Sandy Hook. But there is a new group of people involved who are determined that change will happen. They are Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Skype, and other internet tool savvy.

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I believe this is wrong. Something will happen this time around. You have a very large group of activists who remember just that. Columbine did not change much of anything. Nor did Sandy Hook. But there is a new group of people involved who are determined that change will happen. They are Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Skype, and other internet tool savvy.

These kids will soon devote their time and effort into getting into a good college. The 60’s are over. Unfortunately, too many distractions in today’s society for any idealist movement to take root. Follow the money, there you will find our future.


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[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I believe this is wrong. Something will happen this time around. You have a very large group of activists who remember just that. Columbine did not change much of anything. Nor did Sandy Hook. But there is a new group of people involved who are determined that change will happen. They are Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Skype, and other internet tool savvy.

Something might get done for the sake of getting something done. But it isn't likely to change anything.

It's really hard to change a culture and right now we have a culture where people with problems feel that violence is the answer. Until we can somehow change that culture you can create all the new laws and restrictions you want and NOTHING will change.

[Cisco Kid]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

Just read this... I so DO NOT agree with this knee-jerk opinion. My heart goes out to all students/people affected by this horrendous event. BUT...why spread the grief to others who would be impacted in our tourism economy??? Makes no sense to me.

PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING SURVIVOR ASKS TOURISTS TO BOYCOTT FLORIDA UNTIL GUN REFORM PASSES

PARKLAND, Fla. - David Hogg, a survivor of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Florida, is now calling for tourists to boycott Florida during spring break to raise awareness for gun control.

“Let’s make a deal DO NOT come to Florida for spring break unless gun legislation is passed,” Hogg tweeted to more than 280,000 followers. “These politions [sic] won’t listen to us so maybe the’ll listen to the billion dollar tourism industry in FL."

According to WTVJ, Hogg said in a video that tourists shouldn’t come to Florida for spring break or summer vacations, saying, “How can you expect people from across the nation and the world to come to South Florida if we can’t guarantee their safety because of the inaction of these politicians? I understand there will be economic ramifications from this, but that is only if these politicians refuse to take quick and swift action to resolve these gun issues.”
Hogg also suggested that tourists instead go to Puerto Rico, tweeting, “It’s a beautiful place with amazing people. They could really use the economic support that the government has failed to provide.”

Yes Pass a bunch of useless feel good gun laws, that will only effect the law-abiding. Florida can become Chicago South. Good luck with that. And like Chicago the media will not even report on the rapid growth in crime / murder . ( unless they kill a pack of whites ) Never let a crisis go to waste, that you can blame on your political foe for, of boycott there supporters
Chicago is a 100% gun free zone. The same week as the Parkland shooting, Chicago had one. 6 dead, 22 wounded. They will likely hit 700 + for the year. Where is the media out cry.

[DeanFL]

A few points this morning from NEWS.

- The killer's gun jammed and he had to quit shooting, threw the gun down. Had 150 more rounds of unspent ammo. Tried to shoot out a 3rd floor window in the school to do a "Vegas-like" thing, unable due to hurricane-proof glass.

- Dick's sporting goods will no longer sell "Assault-style guns" and hi capacity magazines. And will only sell firearms to 21+.

- Many FL Sheriffs and local school boards/town boards NOT supporting teachers to carry or have access to guns.

My opinions #1> PHEW. #2 Good for them. #3 Do NOT agree with this.

ps. BTW--- why do I feel that I want to sample shooting a real gun? I never have, but would have one in the house if we lived in an area where I felt the need for home protection. I have a friend who has a few weapons - locked in a gun safe. I may take him up on his offer to go to a shooting range. Have no idea why I feel the 'need' now. Perhaps a stupid Bucket List thing.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

A few points this morning from NEWS.

- The killer's gun jammed and he had to quit shooting, threw the gun down. Had 150 more rounds of unspent ammo. Tried to shoot out a 3rd floor window in the school to do a "Vegas-like" thing, unable due to hurricane-proof glass.

- Dick's sporting goods will no longer sell "Assault-style guns" and hi capacity magazines. And will only sell firearms to 21+.

- Many FL Sheriffs and local school boards/town boards NOT supporting teachers to carry or have access to guns.

My opinions #1> PHEW. #2 Good for them. #3 Do NOT agree with this.

And they are meeting to talk about this.

[billethkid]

The intentions of the kids and anybody else are not in question.

When all gets said and done the proposals will have to be presented to lawmakers (POLITICIANS). The process then loses it's momentum as proposals affect personal re-election status, special interest and minority groups.
Eventually winding down to a halt.

Or something meaningless that affects nothing will be passed.....eye wash!!

[Steve9930]

There is plenty of time to debate how to go forward when it concerns guns, mental health, and whether a teacher will be armed (the teacher argument should be left up to the individual teacher. No one as ever suggested ALL teachers be armed). Now the real problem today, the schools are still vulnerable, let me say that again, the schools are still vulnerable...... So what has been changed to "Harden the Target" since Feb 14th?????????? While the politicians are still arguing, the people are still protesting, the schools are still vulnerable and some nut job out there, somewhere, is planning. Why is that so hard to understand? Its like, the house is on fire and we are all standing there arguing how it started. Pick up the hose and put the fire out.......

[GoodLife]

There are more than 66 investigations by the Broward County State Attorney’s office into Broward County Sheriff’s deputies and employees, ranging from drug trafficking to kidnapping since 2012. All the internal investigations occurred under embattled Sheriff Scott Israel’s watch, whose office is now under investigation for allegations that his deputies failed to allow first responders from treating patients at the scene of Stoneman Douglas High School shooting on Feb. 14, and that multiple deputies failed to enter the school to defend the children during the rampage that left 17 people dead, this reporter has learned.

Broward State Attorney's Opened At Least 66 Cases Of Criminal Misconduct Into Sheriff's Office | Sara A. Carter

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi on Monday refused to reveal why four Broward County deputies reportedly failed to confront a shooter at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

While speaking to Fox & Friends, Bondi explained that Gov. Rick Scott had called for a “full investigation” of Sheriff Scott Israel and the Broward County Sheriff’s Department.

“I know a lot more than you all do now so all I’m going to say is, yes, I believe there needs to be a full investigation,” she said. “I don’t think some people were honest and we’re going to investigate this situation in Florida and the right thing will be done.

Bondi later suggested that some of members of the Broward Sheriff’s Department “weren’t honest with me, nor were they honest with the governor.”

“Why wouldn’t they be honest,” co-host Ainsley Earhardt asked.
“Well, if they were there and didn’t want people to know they were there, that could have been it,” Bondi revealed. “But I’m not going to discuss farther.”

Pam Bondi Won’t Say If There Was ‘Stand Down Order’ For Broward Deputies | Crooks and Liars

Americans Blame Government More Than Guns for Florida Massacre

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 54% of American Adults believe the failure of government agencies to respond to numerous warning signs from the prospective killer is more to blame for the mass shooting. Thirty-three percent (33%) attribute the deaths more to a lack of adequate gun control. Eleven percent (11%) opt for something else.

Americans Blame Government More Than Guns for Florida Massacre - Rasmussen Reports(R)

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

There is plenty of time to debate how to go forward when it concerns guns, mental health, and whether a teacher will be armed (the teacher argument should be left up to the individual teacher. No one as ever suggested ALL teachers be armed). Now the real problem today, the schools are still vulnerable, let me say that again, the schools are still vulnerable...... So what has been changed to "Harden the Target" since Feb 14th?????????? While the politicians are still arguing, the people are still protesting, the schools are still vulnerable and some nut job out there, somewhere, is planning. Why is that so hard to understand? Its like, the house is on fire and we are all standing there arguing how it started. Pick up the hose and put the fire out.......

Concisely stating the problem (highlighted above).

WHY? Do so many believe the solution(s) are the problem for the politicians?

What have we the people, especially the parents of school children done to make their school safe?
For starters they need to stop mindlessly referring to the problem as a gun problem.
Then decide what is it that can be done TODAY that will make the schools safer than they were today?
The problem does not require politicians to "harden the target".