[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by billethkid

They say if one repeats something more than 35 times they will not forget it.

The weapon(s) used were not ASSAULT RIFLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We know that.. That's why we used "quotes"

[JRichm369]

I do agree with good life, the FBI had warnings, The sheriff's office had warnings, and no action was taken. We can pressure the politicians to pass laws against AR-15s We can pass laws gun free zones we can outlaw anything, but the people that conduct these atrocities do not care about laws. When they do their thing they have violated a multitude of laws, they do not worry about being arrested being executed or going to prison having killed anyone or being killed. New laws will not fix anything. We have a political, media environment that encourages hate and dissent. Many years ago I was told never discuss politics or RELIGION, until we can allow people to support their own views we will have big problems. In the words of Randolph Hurst more people will listen to an argument than to an intelligent discussion.

[GoodLife]

Shooter could have faced charges before massacre — had cops done their job, experts say

February 23, 2018 06:42 PM
Updated February 24, 2018 12:20 AM

Nikolas Cruz threatened classmates, posted photos of himself holding guns, made violent statements online and was repeatedly described to authorities as a potential “school shooter.”

His troubling behavior gave law enforcement plenty of opportunities to investigate and arrest him — and even take away his guns — long before he shot up Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland last week, according to interviews with former South Florida prosecutors and legal experts.

In recent years, South Florida police detectives have arrested a slew of young men in unrelated cases who exhibited similar, troubling behavior on a variety of charges. Cops took them seriously.

Read more here: Law enforcement missed chances to arrest Parkland shooter | Miami Herald

[Chi-Town]

It turns out that three other sheriff's deputies failed to enter the building during the active shooting incident. They stood behind their squad cars with guns drawn. There should be hell to pay.

Additional deputies did not enter Florida high school during shooting: report | TheHill

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[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

It turns out that three other sheriff's deputies failed to enter the building during the active shooting incident. They stood behind their squad cars with guns drawn. There should be hell to pay.

Additional deputies did not enter Florida high school during shooting: report | TheHill

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Yes and Broward County Sheriff Israel knew all this before he went on live CNN school shooting extravaganza in which he proceeded to blame guns and the NRA and begged for more laws. Pathetic CYA

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

It turns out that three other sheriff's deputies failed to enter the building during the active shooting incident. They stood behind their squad cars with guns drawn. There should be hell to pay.

Additional deputies did not enter Florida high school during shooting: report | TheHill

But I'm sure an English teacher with a concealed carry permit...would have "killed the killer."

Arming teachers in the classroom has to be, IMHO...one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever heard.

Besides the obvious problems of protecting the weapon in the classroom and how even trained LEO's only have about 18% accuracy in a live shooter incident, a post earlier here (from a retired teacher) about whether or not educators will now be hired based on their gun range proficiency...made a point that I hadn't considered.

An all too large swath of 2nd Amendment extremists, have this Walter Mitty notion of one day being 'a hero'...and saving the day.

Not that there are very many that will actually admit to having this fantasy of course.

As shown by what happened with trained professionals being reluctant, the idea of amateurs acting differently...is silly and wishful (hopeful?) thinking.

There are a number of things that I believe can & should be done to stop these mass murders (complete background checks on ALL sales/more thorough followup by agencies on reported individuals/raising age to purchase semi-autos/bump stock ban/???).

But maybe the single most important thing that needs to be done, is to counsel & educate those who are so easily scared when organizations screech that ANY reasonable regulations...are nothing more than an attempt to confiscate all of our guns.

I have yet to read where ANY legitimate or substantive organization/lawmaker/political faction...is advocating a wholesale ban and/or confiscation of firearms.

I mean really, why are some people so easily frightened and so gullible about something that isn't even being seriously proposed...or is going to ever happen?

[Steve9930]

Man there are many posts, I'll throw in a few more:
To those who propose gun control please do some research and gain some knowledge of firearm Technology.
Harden the target, harden the target, one more time, Harden the target.
Bump stocks belong on the class 3 weapon list(My opinion), if you do not know what that is go back to my first comment. I might even put the AR-15 in the same class.
Mr. Left quit using words like ban, or ban all semi-autos, and legislation that lists over 300 rifles makes the right nervous.
Mr. Right, the government is not coming to take your guns.
You can arm teachers, Its already being done in some places. No one said it would be you. There are people that can do both, teach and use a firearm. Don't just say it can't be done. With the right individual it will work.

1966, Texas University, Austin, TX, 14 Dead, 34 wounded, Weapon: Bolt Action Hunting Rifle. The nut jobs always find away.


In my opinion the reason the AR is so popular, Marketing and you see it used every where.
With today's technology AR's are being built in the home. Magazines can be 3D printed. AR's are like the atomic bomb, the Genie is out of the bottle and it is not going back.

[GoodLife]

There is no need for more gun laws when incompetent FBI and LEOs don't seem able to use the laws already on the books. Cruz violated several laws, threatening school shooting, threatening to kill several people, brandishing weapons in threatening manner etc etc

Need more laws? Looks like Cops had no problem with these 20 arrests made since Parkland

There have been multiple incidents involving threats and weapons at schools since the Florida shooting - CNN

There is something even darker and more ugly coming to light now, school administrators and Law Enforcement Agencies deciding to make their crime stats look better by overlooking student crimes. Nickname for this type of program is Hug a Thug

Take Broward County, the Florida county that used to rank No. 1 at sending students to their state’s juvenile justice system.
The stats troubled Broward County leaders, and they responded with a bold solution: Lower arrests by not making arrests.
After examining juvenile data, a local task force compiled 12 misdemeanor offenses that would no longer be considered police matters. Criminal mischief and vandalism, for example.

These districts fought the school-to-prison pipeline. Can Pittsburgh learn their lessons? | PublicSource
r-lessons/

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

There is no need for more gun laws when incompetent FBI and LEOs don't seem able to use the laws already on the books. Cruz violated several laws, threatening school shooting, threatening to kill several people, brandishing weapons in threatening manner etc etc

Need more laws? Looks like Cops had no problem with these 20 arrests made since Parkland

There have been multiple incidents involving threats and weapons at schools since the Florida shooting - CNN

There is something even darker and more ugly coming to light now, school administrators and Law Enforcement Agencies deciding to make their crime stats look better by overlooking student crimes. Nickname for this type of program is Hug a Thug

Take Broward County, the Florida county that used to rank No. 1 at sending students to their state’s juvenile justice system.
The stats troubled Broward County leaders, and they responded with a bold solution: Lower arrests by not making arrests.
After examining juvenile data, a local task force compiled 12 misdemeanor offenses that would no longer be considered police matters. Criminal mischief and vandalism, for example.

These districts fought the school-to-prison pipeline. Can Pittsburgh learn their lessons? | PublicSource
r-lessons/

I could not agree more. Enforce the laws. The one common denominator in all these incidents, some one knew there was a problem. In this case not only did they know, hey did not follow through. Reminds me of the story about the woman who took the snake in out of the cold. Hug a thug, wow.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

There is no need for more gun laws when incompetent FBI and LEOs don't seem able to use the laws already on the books. Cruz violated several laws, threatening school shooting, threatening to kill several people, brandishing weapons in threatening manner etc etc

Need more laws? Looks like Cops had no problem with these 20 arrests made since Parkland

There have been multiple incidents involving threats and weapons at schools since the Florida shooting - CNN

There is something even darker and more ugly coming to light now, school administrators and Law Enforcement Agencies deciding to make their crime stats look better by overlooking student crimes. Nickname for this type of program is Hug a Thug

Take Broward County, the Florida county that used to rank No. 1 at sending students to their state’s juvenile justice system.
The stats troubled Broward County leaders, and they responded with a bold solution: Lower arrests by not making arrests.
After examining juvenile data, a local task force compiled 12 misdemeanor offenses that would no longer be considered police matters. Criminal mischief and vandalism, for example.

These districts fought the school-to-prison pipeline. Can Pittsburgh learn their lessons? | PublicSource
r-lessons/

"Even darker and more ugly?"

Did you read your own link?

It's not about making 'stats look better,' it's about eliminating the 'judgement calls'...that are so often applied more harshly to minorities.

Besides, these points straight out of your link...makes perfect sense to me.

At his urging, the department empowered officers to use much more discretion when deciding if an arrest makes sense.

“We do a $25 ticket for marijuana in our city,” Bethel said. For a student on school grounds, “that was a misdemeanor that resulted in an arrest, a fingerprinting, a photographing and a court case.”

.....

She still sees a troubling racial disparity in arrests. Even if numbers are lower overall, officials are struggling to figure out how to reduce the racial disparity. Los Angeles has the same problem.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

"Even darker and more ugly?"

Did you read your own link?

It's not about making 'stats look better,' it's about eliminating the 'judgement calls'...that are so often applied more harshly to minorities.

Besides, these points straight out of your link...makes perfect sense to me.

some examples of Hug a Thug, there's lots more I am sure makes perfect sense to you. Do you think Deputy Peterson resigned suddenly because he feels like a hero and wants to spend more time with his family?


Jake Tapper
✔
@jaketapper

This is horrific. “In November, a tipster called BSO to say Cruz ‘could be a school shooter in the making’ but deputies did not write up a report on that warning. It came just weeks after a relative called urging BSO to seize his weapons.”
https://
twitter.com/jaketapper/sta
tus/966853104179273729
…
In a Washington Post report released on Friday, there was a new nugget of information regarding School Resource Deputy Scot Peterson, who did not enter Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School while the shooter was killing students and teachers inside on Valentine’s Day: According to a Florida Department of Children and Families report, in 2016, Peterson was approached by investigators and “refused to share any information … regarding [an] incident that took place with’ the shooter.”

The Post stated, “Peterson is mentioned as part of a 2016 social services agency investigation into (shooter’s name), the 19-year-old identified by police as the gunman. According to a Florida Department of Children and Families report detailing that investigation, Peterson was approached by investigators and ‘refused to share any information … regarding [an] incident that took place with” the teenager.’”

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

some examples of Hug a Thug, there's lots more


Jake Tapper
✔
@jaketapper

This is horrific. “In November, a tipster called BSO to say Cruz ‘could be a school shooter in the making’ but deputies did not write up a report on that warning. It came just weeks after a relative called urging BSO to seize his weapons.”
https://
twitter.com/jaketapper/sta
tus/966853104179273729
…
In a Washington Post report released on Friday, there was a new nugget of information regarding School Resource Deputy Scot Peterson, who did not enter Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School while the shooter was killing students and teachers inside on Valentine’s Day: According to a Florida Department of Children and Families report, in 2016, Peterson was approached by investigators and “refused to share any information … regarding [an] incident that took place with’ the shooter.”

The Post stated, “Peterson is mentioned as part of a 2016 social services agency investigation into (shooter’s name), the 19-year-old identified by police as the gunman. According to a Florida Department of Children and Families report detailing that investigation, Peterson was approached by investigators and ‘refused to share any information … regarding [an] incident that took place with” the teenager.’”

Please...go read your own link.

It references multiple times, that the program addresses ONLY... "nonviolent" behavior.

I hardly think the obsession with guns and their implied use on students... is considered 'nonviolent.'

Without question, this murderer slipped through the cracks on a number of levels...and those cracks need to be addressed.

Just as the failure of those who were armed and are paid to try and stop this kind of thing and instead hid...needs to be addressed.

[ColdNoMore]

Deputies are guarding the home of the Parkland school shooting officer - Business Insider

Deputies from the Palm Beach County Sheriff's office are guarding the home of the school resource officer who was stationed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School after his family requested the protection, according to multiple news reports on Thursday.

Local Fox affiliate WSVN said it sent a reporter to the Boynton Beach, Florida, home of Broward County Sheriff's deputy Scot Peterson for an interview when the reporter was met with six deputies "standing guard outside."

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

But I'm sure an English teacher with a concealed carry permit...would have "killed the killer."

Arming teachers in the classroom has to be, IMHO...one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever heard.

Besides the obvious problems of protecting the weapon in the classroom and how even trained LEO's only have about 18% accuracy in a live shooter incident, a post earlier here (from a retired teacher) about whether or not educators will now be hired based on their gun range proficiency...made a point that I hadn't considered.

An all too large swath of 2nd Amendment extremists, have this Walter Mitty notion of one day being 'a hero'...and saving the day.

Not that there are very many that will actually admit to having this fantasy of course.

As shown by what happened with trained professionals being reluctant, the idea of amateurs acting differently...is silly and wishful (hopeful?) thinking.

There are a number of things that I believe can & should be done to stop these mass murders (complete background checks on ALL sales/more thorough followup by agencies on reported individuals/raising age to purchase semi-autos/bump stock ban/???).

But maybe the single most important thing that needs to be done, is to counsel & educate those who are so easily scared when organizations screech that ANY reasonable regulations...are nothing more than an attempt to confiscate all of our guns.

I have yet to read where ANY legitimate or substantive organization/lawmaker/political faction...is advocating a wholesale ban and/or confiscation of firearms.

I mean really, why are some people so easily frightened and so gullible about something that isn't even being seriously proposed...or is going to ever happen?

The president said that no shooter would enter a school where an armed guard posed a threat. Hmmm, maybe if the guard looked like Charles Bronson.

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[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Please...go read your own link.

It references multiple times, that the program addresses ONLY... "nonviolent" behavior.

I hardly think the obsession with guns and their implied use on students... is considered 'nonviolent.'

.

Right, here is the actual Hug a Thug law called Promise Program. Read it and weep.

http://www.ncjfcj.org/sites/default/...%20-%20MOU.pdf


WHEREAS, The Florida Legislature “encourage[s] schools to use alternatives to expulsion or referral to law enforcement agencies by addressing disruptive behavior through restitution, civil citation, teen court, neighborhood restorative justice, or similar programs” and has instructed school districts “that zero-tolerance policies are not intended to be rigorously applied to petty acts of misconduct and misdemeanors, including, but not limited to, minor fights or disturbances



How did that work out for the slaughtered students?

Let's have a teen court!

oops!

5 § 1006.13(4) Fla. Stat. (2012). “Each district school board shall enter into agreements with the county sheriff’s office and local police department … [that specify] the role of school resource officers, if applicable, in handling reported incidents, circumstances in which school officials may handle incidents without filing a report with a law enforcement agency, and a procedure for ensuring that school personnel properly report appropriate delinquent acts and crimes. Zero-tolerance policies do not require the reporting of petty acts of misconduct and misdemeanors to a law enforcement agency, including, but not limited to, disorderly conduct, disrupting a school function, simple assault or battery, affray, theft of less than $300, trespassing, and vandalism of less than $1,000.”

You just don't get it. Broward county politicians including LEOs made this program to lower their juvenile arrests, improve their crime stats, and get more grants. Now we have evidence that they ignored much more than "violent crimes"

It worked, except for the students who got slaughtered.

When I was 10 years old, I went into a drugstore and cleverly slipped a 10 cent comb up my sleeve and walked out. Someone at the store who knew me called police, and shortly after a patrol car showed up at my home. For a 10 cent comb! Officers told my parents what I had done. I never stole anything in my life again.

You think liberal policies like Hug a Thug work. They do not.