[2BNTV]

The noreaster cause more power outages so it keeps on getting better and better.

Now gas rationing in New York.

NYC, Long Island impose gas rationing as shortages drag on, possibly for weeks - NY Daily News

[kbace6]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

The noreaster cause more power outages so it keeps on getting better and better.

Now gas rationing in New York.

NYC, Long Island impose gas rationing as shortages drag on, possibly for weeks - NY Daily News

It's starting to sound "Katrina like".

[Patty55]

A lot of people still don't have power from Sandy, they need the gas for generators.

I saw today online that Doctors Without Borders has set up in Rockaway, the first time they have set up in the US.

What is going on?

[2BNTV]

Possibly ill from lack of heat and food?

[njbchbum]

odd/even rationing helped ease lines in nj in less than 48 hrs from implementation!

ny is late to this resolution - can't do anything but help!

no odd/even rationing for walk-up lines for gas cans.

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

Now gas rationing in New York.

NYC, Long Island impose gas rationing as shortages drag on, possibly for weeks - NY Daily News

Why gas rationing? Is it because of limited gas supplies or lack of power for stations to pump it? One year in S.Florida they had plenty of gas but the stations had no power to pump it. Since then, I believe, laws were passed to make sure stations had emergency power supplies. We are very lucky here in TV that our power lines are underground and we have no worry about storm surge.
I'd hate to imagine what the results would have been if this was a cat 4 or 5 hurricane instead of only a minimal cat 1.

[janmcn]

In 2004, The Villages had no gas for almost a week because the tankers could not load up in Orlando due to no power in that area. Even though your area might not lose power, you're not always assured of being able to buy gas.

[Mack184]

The most disasterous sentence in the English language: "Hello..I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

Why gas rationing? Is it because of limited gas supplies or lack of power for stations to pump it? One year in S.Florida they had plenty of gas but the stations had no power to pump it. Since then, I believe, laws were passed to make sure stations had emergency power supplies. We are very lucky here in TV that our power lines are underground and we have no worry about storm surge.
I'd hate to imagine what the results would have been if this was a cat 4 or 5 hurricane instead of only a minimal cat 1.

shimpy - rationing because lines for gas are MILES long, not just blocks; many stations not equipped with back-up power source for pumps; and refineries and ports also knocked out of service. odd/even system has worked well in nj for a week. there are those folks, too, who are hoarding because of need for gas for generators and who fer letting tank get below half.

nj tried to legislate as fl did with requiring emergency back-up power - never went anywhere - pols caved to the special interests of industry groups.

sandy was not just a cat 1 hurricane - it was a cat one wrapped within a nor'easter complicated by storm fronts that blasted in from the west! a triple header of unknown proportions.

check out some of the jersey shore sandy videos on youtube. communities in ny and nj are looking at being razed to the ground and in need of total infrastructure redevelopment! this disaster is 2nd only to katrina so far. many homes cannot benefit from fema because they are not primary residences. fema reimbursing towns for 90% of storm related expenses - towns will hafta come up with 1 mil for every 10 mil of costs.

btw - saw a news photo today where a crew from fp&l was standing next to their truck and a snowman they built after the snow storm the other night! and the crews from alabama were seeing snow for their first time ever!

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Mack184

The most disasterous sentence in the English language: "Hello..I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

This was never more apparent than during and after Hurricane Katrina with the help of the FEMA director.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by janmcn

This was never more apparent than during and after Hurricane Katrina with the help of the FEMA director.

i guess fema has learned a lot since then! the org may not be perfect and folks are irate because it will not help them rebuild a vacation home - BUT - the org is all out here at the jersey shore with assistance from multiple centers and personnel! fema has already started to send new manufactured homes to ny/nj - 40 en route today without even being requested by either gov! more to be shipped as soon as the govs determine where they can be placed. fema reps also all over ft. monmouth planning out how to get 400 - 500 housing units opened up on the main post that has been shuttered for more than a year - will be used for transitional housing.

i gotta say that it is hurtful to see the greed of the people who want the govt to pay to rebuild their vacation homes before some folks ever get their primary residence replaced! the feeling is, however, wonderfully countered by the outpouring of assistance of food, clothing, personal products, bedding, furniture, free meals, offers of clean-up assistance, etc that is coming from all over the country! it is a blessing to know that restoration of property and spirit in the u s of a does not hafta rely on the government.

[jimbo2012]

Strange lines are gone, it works.

I think the lines were based on fear & hording.

There is plenty of gas in the terminals this is all BS

[Mack184]

I spent 37 years in broadcasting, however over those years I have often supplemented my income by driving gasoline tankers on the weekends. The average tanker is going to haul approximately 8,500 gallons of fuel divided up in 4-5 compartments. A standard load is often 7,000 of regular & 1,500 gallons of mid-grade. If the station has blender-pumps, then the 1,500 gallons of mid is swapped for 1,500 gallons of premium.

Your local gas station/convenience store's underground fuel tanks usually hold 10-12,000 gallons of regular & 6,000 gallons of mid grade & 6,000 of premium. If the station has blender pumps, then there is no mid-grade tank and the premium tank is usually an 8 or 10,000 gallon tank.

If you have been at your local gas station when a tanker is unloading, you can see that they take up a lot of room. Now look at the NYC & NJ stations that are fully clogged with cars, with lines extending miles up the street. How's the tanker going to get in? And...with the mobs at these stations, I would NOT want to be the driver who's bringing in that load trying to navigate around cars who won't give an inch to you to bring in the load in the first place. Plus I wouldn't want to be the guy who was getting out of that tanker and trying to keep people from trying to get the load right out of your truck for you.

IMHO what should have been done, was to close all the gas stations for 2-3 days. No gas to anybody..no lines allowed. Then the trucks could have gotten in, gotten the tanks filled and then put in rationing for a week or so, and things would have gotten back in shape.

One other note, in areas that flooded, it is very likely that whatever was in the tanks was to at least some point contaminated by water, so that the tanks would have to be pumped out and then refilled with clean fuel before they could resume service.

[Patty55]

I had heard that part of the problem was mixing in the ethanol. Don't know if that was true or not.

Consumption was also up with all the generaters running and let's not forget the LIRR was not running a full schedule.

My family just got power back yesterday and are doing the happy dance not to be wearing head lamps. It might have been a good thing that they didn't have cable, if they had seen the devastation in Jersey and Staten Island they would have died.

[Mack184]

Originally Posted by Patty55

I had heard that part of the problem was mixing in the ethanol. Don't know if that was true or not.

Consumption was also up with all the generaters running and let's not forget the LIRR was not running a full schedule.

My family just got power back yesterday and are doing the happy dance not to be wearing head lamps. It might have been a good thing that they didn't have cable, if they had seen the devastation in Jersey and Staten Island they would have died.

Ethanol is mixed in either at the refinery and/or terminal. All branded gasolines whether it's BP, Exxon, Mobil, Shell, Hess or whomever have their own patented mixes of "additives" and ethanol blends. Most terminals are "multi-brand" terminals, whereby you can select from a number of brands. The driver cards in and then the loading computer will ask what you want to select. Let's say you're hauling Exxon. You tell the computer you want Exxon, and how much. You make all the connections and load the truck. At the point where the gas is loading, the patented additives & ethanol blends are mixed as the truck loads. Every so often the driver will have to take a small sample to be sent to the company to be certain that the correct items are being added.

If you should purchase discount "no-name" gas there is a generic blend of additives & ethanol mixed when ordered. Stations that sell unbranded gas are buying it from whomever is the cheapest priced major supplier for that day. So in essence, you are not getting a "cheaper" gas you are getting brand-name gas without the brand's patented additives. Sort of like buying Store brand milk. It came from a major dairy, just doesn't have the brand name.

I'm sure that's 295% more than you ever wanted to know.