[justjim]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

How will the first responders to a school shooting be able to tell the bad guy(s) from the armed teachers?

As usual, Bogie comes up with the best question in this entire thread.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Good Nucky. What might work in some school in Texas in a rural area might not be a good solution in a New York City public school. Local gun culture should also play a role. I had a 12 gauge shotgun by age 12 or so while growing up in Reno, Nevada and one of my "friends" shot me in the left pinky with a BB gun after he had been pointing it at my eye. I asked him to try shooting between my fingers. He missed. That was the end of that "friendship".

You probably should have gotten some gun safety instruction. Before getting a BB gun let alone a shotgun.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by DAVES

You probably should have gotten some gun safety instruction. Before getting a BB gun let alone a shotgun.

In my day, every boy had a BB gun... It was as common in the small town I grew up in as a pocket knife.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Velvet

And where do we stop? Do we arm the bus drivers too? And the shoppers as many shootings up north take place in malls. Should we arm everyone, go back to the old West style? What kind of society would that make, armed and fearful?

What if it was your child or mine, your grandchild or mine who was the “bad” guy?

I understand the fear that drives a parent to protect, I just think that we have to do better.

I will refer that post back to the Second Amendment,
But that's a discussion for another day.
Steve

[Nucky]

Originally Posted by justjim

As usual, Bogie comes up with the best question in this entire thread.

No doubt a great question. I have another one. How would the Officers who show up first know the Victim from The Villan? I'll leave that to those who risked their lives their entire lives for the protection of our lives. Maybe some I.D. they could flash to the Officers? Just a thought!

I like evening the playing field. Instead of the Bad Guy preying on the Weak maybe, just maybe he or she would think twice if they knew they could be harmed by an unknown person in the target school.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

How will the first responders to a school shooting be able to tell the bad guy(s) from the armed teachers?

Teachers will put their guns down.

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Especially if the armed individual is one of my students (and I consider every student in my school as my student) I do not see them as someone that I would kill, but I would do whatever I could to stop the person from hurting my other students.

They taught us in the academy, you never shoot to kill, you do shoot to stop the threat.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Velvet

And where do we stop? Do we arm the bus drivers too? And the shoppers as many shootings up north take place in malls. Should we arm everyone, go back to the old West style? What kind of society would that make, armed and fearful?

What if it was your child or mine, your grandchild or mine who was the “bad” guy?

I understand the fear that drives a parent to protect, I just think that we have to do better.

If it was my child or grandchild and they were the bad guy I would support the actions taken. This sounds much like a lot of attitudes today, do what you need to do UNLESS it is my kid, my property or any of my relatives. When I grew up our parents put our teachers in charge and trusted them to make the right decisions and sometimes that included getting our butts kicked by teachers. Today, discipline is not permitted. If a problem exists we need to send them to counseling. Parents don't accept responsibility for discipline and they won't delegate to those they entrust their kids to for up to 8 hours a day. Then when something happens, it's someone else's responsibilities. Arm the teachers, bus drivers and anyone else whose life can be in danger. That's why I carry.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Teachers will put their guns down.

I’ve seen that happen a lot in those news videos....right after they have been shot.
Your answer makes sense if the shooter is dead, what if he/she is still active? And all hell is breaking loose?

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I’ve seen that happen a lot in those news videos....right after they have been shot.
Your answer makes sense if the shooter is dead, what if he/she is still active? And all hell is breaking loose?

Carrying a weapon is self defense.
Last resort.

I don't see teachers running up and down the halls shooting.


As self defense, teachers would be in classrooms with students, behind closed doors.


As police clear the facility, they are announcing and identifying.


Training, not the wild west.

[seoulbrooks]

First of all what is adequate training? I received many hours of training but that did not make me comfortable to point my weapon at another human being.

Look back on many of the school shootings. What we really need is for the parents of the shooters to be held responsible for the firearms in their homes and then in the procession of a child. How many parents of the shooters have been held responsible? None, they all had such difficult children...….bull......they were bad, nonresponsive parents. So much of todays problems steam from the home environment.....but the blame always shifts elsewhere.

[Velvet]

When you only have a hammer, every problem is a nail.

[Nucky]

If a Hammer was coming at one of our Collective Grandchildren I would hope the Teacher that is fully TRAINED would just like the children to turn from a Nail to a SledgeHammer! We are just going around in circles. I get your point, I don't agree but I get your point.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

They taught us in the academy, you never shoot to kill, you do shoot to stop the threat.

Which is center mass, over and over..

[Number 10 GI]

Scott Beigel, a geography teacher at Majory Stoneman Douglas High School, probably wished he had a gun when he was shot and killed while trying to protect students from Nikolas Cruz.