[Velvet]

I believe that trained personnel in schools is an effective measure to stop armed violence, as I mentioned before about the incident we had at my school. But not the teacher. Our librarian was very trained, but by accident, can’t have a Mossad trained individual in every school. We were lucky to have her.

When I advocate for the students, even the misfits, I am looking at the long run, the future generation, how we can give them better tools to cope with.
Look at the telephone and how far it has come, we can do the same thing in education.

And no, the ship has not sailed, IMHO. We are capable of evolving.

[Trayderjoe]

Just read an article on a Crime Prevention Research Center study in which they analyzed nearly 20 years of comprehensive data from reliable, respected sources including the National School Safety Centers (NSSC) report, “School Associated Violent Deaths” and the Washington Post’s database of school shootings. The report indicates that as far back as January 2000, there has not been a single mass public shooting between 6 AM and midnight in any school that allows teachers and staff to carry guns legally. Here is a link to the abstract. There are links to the paper and the data on the abstract webpage.

[Velvet]

A depressed and suicidal student is not going to be worried about who is armed. They have already given up on people and themselves. They will only be figuring out how to overcome the obstacles.

This is my view from my life experiences. I understand if other people have different views. But as Bucco said, we will do best if we listen to each other and consider the various points. We have the same goal of keeping our children and students safe. We need to look at what is feasible and cost effective and educational.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Velvet

A depressed and suicidal student is not going to be worried about who is armed. They have already given up on people and themselves. They will only be figuring out how to overcome the obstacles.

Do you not believe that would apply to any of those who attempt mass shootings ?

[Velvet]

Yes, they have given up.

[PugMom]

YES! certain teachers that feel comfortable around weapons should most def be allowed to carry

[regas56]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Why is this thread still going? It is clearly political. And for the record, I've played golf with many retired teachers, and they all scoff at the idea of guns in schools. We need better gun laws, universal background checks, better gun safety training, and we need to outlaw military type guns. Who really needs to own an AK-47? Require mental health professionals to report people who might be dangerous. Enforce laws that restrict gun access for people under domestic violence restraining orders. Ban large capacity ammunition magazines. And as Velvet mentioned above, give training to teachers to identify the problem kids who might have a propensity for gun violence, and work with the kids to possibly prevent a mass killing.

Nobody NEEDS an AK47 just like nobody NEEDS a Super Bike that will do 185 MPH or a ZRI Corvette that will do 220 MPH but in America if you want one and it is legal than it's our own choice.. According to the FBI gun database website out of 60 THOUSAND gun deaths in 2016 less than 500 were caused by a "military" style weapon so wouldn't banning them be akin to banning Ibuprofen in an effort to curb the opioid overdose death crisis in America? Maybe we should concentrate more on the suicide victims (2/3 of the total gun deaths) and gang/drug related another 15 thousand and watch our gun death totals drop like a rock over time. Finally how about we NEVER post the name or picture of a Mass Killer, isn't that what they want.... notoriety, don't give that to them.. Just my humble opinion..

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Why is this thread still going? It is clearly political. And for the record, I've played golf with many retired teachers, and they all scoff at the idea of guns in schools. We need better gun laws, universal background checks, better gun safety training, and we need to outlaw military type guns. Who really needs to own an AK-47? Require mental health professionals to report people who might be dangerous. Enforce laws that restrict gun access for people under domestic violence restraining orders. Ban large capacity ammunition magazines. And as Velvet mentioned above, give training to teachers to identify the problem kids who might have a propensity for gun violence, and work with the kids to possibly prevent a mass killing.

It does get into an area we are told to stay away from, but I think the mods allow a bit more room with a legitimate discussion of a topic that is real.

I keep thinking that our elected officials are under the same restraints as are on TOTV.......that is.....do not talk about it, because that might be the beginning of finding solutions.

[Barborv]

I am for it. Any teacher or staff member feeling uncomfortable with it, obviously wouldn't take part. There are many people who hunt and are NRA members and vets that know their way around a gun. As far as these gun free zones, is ridiculous that it's advertised . You never hear of a school shooting in Israel! That's because all the teachers carry! Unfortunately, these guns are getting into the hands of people with mental instability. A lot of cases are not reported and documented, because at the time there was no real threat. I work in a school in LI,NY and there are a good handful of kids that you can just tell are ticking time bombs. Sure they get suspended from time to time, but they are not put on a potential list with authorities. Maybe that needs to be changed.

[retiredguy123]

I think that, unless you provide a consistent, across the board, teacher armed system, you will be inviting a perfect case for lawyers who want to sue the Government for not protecting children in all schools the same way. Why not just eliminate the gun free zones and let the second amendment and state gun laws rule how guns are used in schools.

[dewilson58]

Maybe a tight Good Samaritan Law.

[luperona9]

Maybe a trained teacher that cares and volunteers is way better than a coward looking to pad his pension.

Former Parkland school deputy arrested on 11 charges tied to shooting

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Barborv

I am for it. Any teacher or staff member feeling uncomfortable with it, obviously wouldn't take part. There are many people who hunt and are NRA members and vets that know their way around a gun. As far as these gun free zones, is ridiculous that it's advertised . You never hear of a school shooting in Israel! That's because all the teachers carry! Unfortunately, these guns are getting into the hands of people with mental instability. A lot of cases are not reported and documented, because at the time there was no real threat. I work in a school in LI,NY and there are a good handful of kids that you can just tell are ticking time bombs. Sure they get suspended from time to time, but they are not put on a potential list with authorities. Maybe that needs to be changed.

A Google search will clarify that this is not true......

[Bucco]

The false narrative about Israel is pounded home on certain cable shows,but if you bother to actually digest facts....well, this is from The NY Times last year

"A 2012 study by Janet E. Rosenbaum, an epidemiologist at SUNY Downstate Medical Center in Brooklyn, examined the perception of many gun-rights advocates that Israel and Switzerland were “gun utopias” that had fairly permissive firearms laws and widespread gun ownership, and encouraged armed civilians to intercept shooters.

She found that gun ownership was in fact far lower in Israel than in the United States. In the United States there are roughly 310 million firearms in the hands of civilians, nearly one for every adult and child. In Israel — which has a population of about 8.5 million, not counting about 5 million Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza — about 135,000 citizens are currently licensed to own guns. Of those, 37,500 work as guards, according to the Ministry of Public Security, which issues the permits.

The United States considers handgun ownership a constitutionally protected right, while Israel considers gun permits a privilege, granted by the Ministry of Public Security strictly on the basis of need."

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/world/middleeast/israel-guns-mike-huckabee.html[/url



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There is something seriously wrong about a system where a disturbed young man can acquire deadly weapons as easily as buying a new laptop. Where children can treat firearms as casually as toys.

I live in a country with wars raging on all sides, with failed states collapsing into a primordial stew of hatred and nihilism an hour’s drive north of me, with suicidal regimes seeking nuclear weapons in order to carry out their expressed goals of obliterating me, my family, and everyone with whom I interact on a daily basis. But for all this, I don’t feel as if I’m living in a war zone. We know about death and we know about weapons of war, but we don't fetishize them.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.prem...rael-1.5406039


The second link is from Israeli news....


Repeating the same tired old points does not fit...the narrative about Israel is easily defeated with facts.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Snip...>We know about death and we know about weapons of war, but we don't fetishize them.<...SNIP

While the rest of the post and the links of facts you provided is much appreciated, it really ALL comes down to...the underlined above.