[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

I don't care how well-trained they are. They're not paid killers. They know they're not paid killers. But in order to stop a freak with an AR-15, you'd better be not only a paid killer, but damned good at it.

Hmmmmmmm.
Steve

[Midnight Cowgirl]

I would not want my child staring at his teacher or focused on the fact that the teacher was visibly toting a gun or even thinking about the gun the teacher had in his pocket, sock, or wherever.
If the weapon is in a drawer -- a locked drawer, I would assume, what good would THAT do???

My child is in school to learn!
Trained or not trained, that is NOT the primary training of a teacher, nor is it THEIR main interest.
A teacher packing a pistol is an aberration. Under the best of circumstances, my response is a definite NO.
Let teachers do the job they want to do and are qualified to do -- that's to TEACH! Period.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Midnight Cowgirl

I would not want my child staring at his teacher or focused on the fact that the teacher was visibly toting a gun or even thinking about the gun the teacher had in his pocket, sock, or wherever.
If the weapon is in a drawer -- a locked drawer, I would assume, what good would THAT do???

My child is in school to learn!
Trained or not trained, that is NOT the primary training of a teacher, nor is it THEIR main interest.
A teacher packing a pistol is an aberration. Under the best of circumstances, my response is a definite NO.
Let teachers do the job they want to do and are qualified to do -- that's to TEACH! Period.

I agree, that is not the teachers primary job. But it is a secondary responsibility to keep the children safe. Teachers could carry guns concealed so that no one including the children would know who is carrying. Once this became the norm, children would not be focused on who is carrying and who is not.

It might surprise you to know that approximately one third of the people in The Villages have concealed carry permits. There are thousands of guns around you every day and you don't know it. It's one of the things that make The Villages a very safe place and one of the reasons our crime rate is among the lowest in the country. And you are not focused on who might be carrying. It's just norm.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I agree, that is not the teachers primary job. But it is a secondary responsibility to keep the children safe. Teachers could carry guns concealed so that no one including the children would know who is carrying. Once this became the norm, children would not be focused on who is carrying and who is not.

It might surprise you to know that approximately one third of the people in The Villages have concealed carry permits. There are thousands of guns around you every day and you don't know it. It's one of the things that make The Villages a very safe place and one of the reasons our crime rate is among the lowest in the country. And you are not focused on who might be carrying. It's just norm.

I wish I could unknow that because now I don’t feel safe at all.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by fw102807

I wish I could unknow that because now I don’t feel safe at all.

About 10% of Florida's population have CCW's. So one out of every ten might be carrying

"Florida had a total of 1,971,997 currently valid concealed weapon permits as of March 31, according to the latest figures from the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services."

Steve

[billethkid]

Many are blindly led by the media and politics of the day (or the moment).

I would like to hear from teachers and administrators actually involved in a school shooting or anybody involved in an actual shooting situation....to get what they think about the proposal.

Any and all other discussions-opinions are intellectual, driven by one's beliefs/prejudice/religion/party affiliation/etc. Not a negative intention....just the reality of the issue.....in my humble opinion.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Many are blindly led by the media and politics of the day (or the moment).

I would like to hear from teachers and administrators actually involved in a school shooting or anybody involved in an actual shooting situation....to get what they think about the proposal.

Any and all other discussions-opinions are intellectual, driven by one's beliefs/prejudice/religion/party affiliation/etc. Not a negative intention....just the reality of the issue.....in my humble opinion.

Exactly. That's why I don't even bother getting into these debates anymore. The same people take the same position over and over. I know I have little chance of changing anyone's mind and I also admit there's little chance that anyone will change mine.

After awhile it just becomes a big circle jerk.. lol

[Velvet]

Wow! Those stats on gun permits are a surprise. I can see the “right” to arms as in the second amendment, but that so many people feel a need to have guns, unless they are collectors etc, is sad. It feels as if the state is a potential battlefield.

[retiredguy123]

If you are going to own a gun in Florida, it makes sense to get a concealed carry permit, even if you have no intention to carry the gun outside of your house. You will get a good training class, and you will be able to transport the gun to another location without risking being charged with a gun crime. There are a lot of people with permits who never take their gun outside of their house.

[billethkid]

A statistic is presented and the state feels like a battle ground?
To each his/her own.

For those who are impressed with statistics here is a more serious issue than guns:

Texting and Driving Accident Statistics - Distracted Driving

Cell phone injuries and deaths suggest controls are more needed for cell phones than guns controls.
That will never happen because too many people have them hence no response to a real problem in our daily lives.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Wow! Those stats on gun permits are a surprise. I can see the “right” to arms as in the second amendment, but that so many people feel a need to have guns, unless they are collectors etc, is sad. It feels as if the state is a potential battlefield.

This is an old saying, but true as far as I'm concerned.
"I would rather have a gun on me and not need it, than need it and not have it"

That may sound paranoid to some, but believe me, it's for self protection, which is my right, and possibly the protection of others.
I'll admit, not once in my 62yrs on this earth have I ever come close to needing one, and hope I never do, but I still adhere to the saying above.
Steve

[Velvet]

The need to have a personal weapon, whether at home or in public, for me, comes out of fear. I enjoy gun clubs, I enjoy competition, but I prefer not to have to have to worry about break-ins to my home. Big factor in choosing TV. I don’t want to go to Winn-Dixie to pick out my veggies with a concealed weapon and Kevlar. I’d rather just put on a sundress and sandals. I don’t want to drive down any of the TV streets and if I make a mistake say on the round about, someone in road rage threatens to shoot me. (Anyway grenades are more effective in combat as you need less accuracy, or even low tech Molotov cocktails.)

What I am trying to say is, even though the second amendment gives the right to bear arms, it is better to be in a place that does not need it. I also have the right to become a truck driver, but it doesn’t mean I have to.

I prefer not to live in fear.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Velvet

The need to have a personal weapon, whether at home or in public, for me, comes out of fear. I enjoy gun clubs, I enjoy competition, but I prefer not to have to have to worry about break-ins to my home. Big factor in choosing TV. I don’t want to go to Winn-Dixie to pick out my veggies with a concealed weapon. I’d rather just put on a sundress and sandals. I don’t want to drive down any of the TV streets and if I make a mistake say on the round about, someone in road rage threatens to shoot me. (Anyway grenades are more effective in combat as you need less accuracy.)

Your choice and I respect that.
I surely do not carry out of "fear", that is just your opinion, you do not know me.
Steve

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

Your choice and I respect that.
I surely do not carry out of "fear", that is just your opinion, you do not know me.
Steve

Sorry VelVet, I might've taken the "fear" thing a little out of context. I guess you meant your personal fear?
Steve

[Velvet]

I was talking about my fear. The fear my students might have.
Of course I respect your choice for yourself, it is a given.