[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by biker1

Nope. You are making this crap up. If you are referring to the PVC valve, it is easily cleaned. Read your owner’s manual. I would love to be your mechanic - I could put my kids through Harvard fleecing you - LOL.

Think about this. If all you had to do was clean PC Valves, then WHY do people buy them at the Auto Parts Stores? Google a parts catalog and you will see them there. Google me this Batman!

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Lots of you's and he's. Not sure who you are talking about.

I don't drive an EV our current cars are fine 11 year old Jaguar and 15 year old Lexus). Our next car will be an EV and will have FSD. As I have said every time this thread gets repeated and all the same nonsense arguments about EVs come out.

So,,,do as I say, not as I do?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Unfortunately, what will most likely happen is that there will be a tax on miles driven on all vehicles but the tax on gas won’t go away, double taxing gas and diesel vehicles. If the government wants us in electric vehicles, they will eventually find ways to make it prohibitively uneconomical for most people to do otherwise. In the new era of stressing equality, they are dumping inequalities on people who prefer a rural lifestyle, where driving range, 4WD, and towing capacity are important, driving lots of miles is a necessity, and public transportation is not available. In a way, EV’s are forcing more urbanization.

"Forcing Urbanization"........that is a strange stretch resulting in a strange CONCLUSION - like bending facts to come to a preferred solution.

[jimjamuser]

EVs are the FUTURE. It might take 5 years. It might take 20 years. Much depends on Government help, indifference, or hindrance. Pollution can be better controlled at ONE location (the power plant) rather than multiple locations (moving vehicles) Less pollution leads to better health and air quality for our grandchildren. And more money in their pockets as opposed to Saudi Arabian pockets. To my eyes, that is a result that ALL US citizens today should STRIVE FOR.

It is an intergenerational win-win. I may have some T-shirts made up - saying, "Shed the past, forget BIG OIL, and lower world tensions........trade that ICE oil polluter for the clean air FUTURE of the EV....you go America Girl"

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

So,,,do as I say, not as I do?

All or nothing BS again. Seems to be a trait.

I have NEVER said anyone should run out and buy an EV. Buy it when it makes sense to you. They are far better purchase option NOW. But, why buy any new car when our are excellent?

Oh, I know, you knew better, and just like to argue

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

"Forcing Urbanization"........that is a strange stretch resulting in a strange CONCLUSION - like bending facts to come to a preferred solution.

It is only a stretch if you live in the real world. In some alternate universe, everything any one does that you don't agree with is FORCING their way on you. Sigh.

It's becoming more and more obvious that no one actually wants to discuss or debate anything on this forum. Just those out dog whistles and try to out zing each other.

Yeah, man, you owned that one - LOL!

ahem.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

All or nightie BS again. Seems to be a trait.

I have NEVER said anyone should run out and buy an EV. Buy it when it makes sense to you. They are far better purchase option NOW. But, why buy any new car when our are excellent?

Oh, I know, you knew better, and just like to argue

Or discuss.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

All or nightie BS again. Seems to be a trait.

I have NEVER said anyone should run out and buy an EV. Buy it when it makes sense to you. They are far better purchase option NOW. But, why buy any new car when our are excellent?

Oh, I know, you knew better, and just like to argue

[Byte1]

Not really interested in purchasing an EV. The last time I rode in one was when I rode a Street Car in D.C. in the '50's. When the 'lectric cars can be charged on the go, I will definitely think about purchasing one. Not likely between today and when I am cremated. I have no problem with folks wanting to go 'lectric. I saw a golf cart that almost flew past at a record 110mph on a drag strip. It was battery powered. I still think that talking about how much horsepower a muscle car can put out is more interesting than how many amps you can get in your battery car. Just my opinion. I have no problem with burning fossil fuel until it's gone. The air today is cleaner than the air in the '50's in the main cities. I lived in one country where many converted their vehicles to burn natural gas. The modification to the cars cost about $300 for the kit. And they had filling stations around the city to fill up the tanks they kept in the trunk. Just a consideration if folks are wanting cleaner air.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Not really interested in purchasing an EV. The last time I rode in one was when I rode a Street Car in D.C. in the '50's. When the 'lectric cars can be charged on the go, I will definitely think about purchasing one. Not likely between today and when I am cremated. I have no problem with folks wanting to go 'lectric. I saw a golf cart that almost flew past at a record 110mph on a drag strip. It was battery powered. I still think that talking about how much horsepower a muscle car can put out is more interesting than how many amps you can get in your battery car. Just my opinion. I have no problem with burning fossil fuel until it's gone. The air today is cleaner than the air in the '50's in the main cities. I lived in one country where many converted their vehicles to burn natural gas. The modification to the cars cost about $300 for the kit. And they had filling stations around the city to fill up the tanks they kept in the trunk. Just a consideration if folks are wanting cleaner air.

In 1950 the population of the US was 150 million people. That is why the air was good compared to today. And the world's population has about doubled, or more, since 1950. If the population had stayed the same, then there would be no Global Warming or excess pollution to cause Global Warming. Some brilliant old time philosopher said that wars and pestilence keep population controlled. We have had our share of disease lately and Russia is trying its best to start an expanding war. And without Ukrainian wheat, many in Africa will die.

If someone could wave a magic wand and world population not increase or decrease, then we would NOT need EVs as badly as we do. And its just barbaric and neanderthal-like that we are NOT using electric riding lawnmowers. Where is the Elon Musk of electric lawn equipment????????

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

In 1950 the population of the US was 150 million people. That is why the air was good compared to today. And the world's population has about doubled, or more, since 1950. If the population had stayed the same, then there would be no Global Warming or excess pollution to cause Global Warming. Some brilliant old time philosopher said that wars and pestilence keep population controlled. We have had our share of disease lately and Russia is trying its best to start an expanding war. And without Ukrainian wheat, many in Africa will die.

If someone could wave a magic wand and world population not increase or decrease, then we would NOT need EVs as badly as we do. And its just barbaric and neanderthal-like that we are NOT using electric riding lawnmowers. Where is the Elon Musk of electric lawn equipment????????

Waterways not really good in the 1950's. Companies like GE north of NYC polluted the hudson river to the extent all fish in the river died. For that matter air quality not so great than either. Coal was used in huge quantities and scrubbers were not around.

[Hardlyworking]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Or discuss.

If you agree with him, you are discussing. If you state another opinion, you are arguing.

[DaveZ]

Originally Posted by Spectreron

I've read all the comments and can only shake my head. So many misconceptions...
EVs are much less expensive per mile driven
A fully charged Tesla holds the energy equivalent of 4 gal. of gasoline but gets 250-300 miles on that charge.
Batteries are already being recycled by Redwood Materials and others. They discharge the batteries in liquid nitrogen, grind them up, recover all the pure minerals and return them to the supply chain. Musk calls it battery mining because you end up with new raw materials.
There are charging stations everywhere, especially Tesla. Waiting in line for a supercharger is very rare. Charging stations are growing many time faster than EVs. Doubling annually.
You can add 200 miles of range in 20 mins at a supercharger or other high speed charger.
A typical 1,000 mile trip takes 2 hrs longer in an EV, providing the gas car just fills up and goes without spending any additional time at the gas station. The EV driver plugs in, pees, grabs a snack, 20 mins later is on the road.
There is so much else that people have heard or read that gives them a false picture. It's coming folks, the Tesla Model Y will be the worlds #1 selling auto in 2023 (ice and EV).
I really don't give a rat's if you buy one or not, just do a little research before you make statements.
Most EVs are a blast to drive, I'm 70+ yrs old and plan to have fun on my way out!

Hahaha!! I’m with you! I have a Tesla M3 and LMAO at the folks in this thread that know so little but judge so big! Forced child labor, pollution, CEO, on and on. If anyone spent as much judgement on their Amazon purchase, their furniture, the paint and plastics in their own ICE, or anything else including the device their posting with they’d realize the emperor has no clothes.

Continue to love my EV and enjoy seeing that it’s worth much more used than I bought it for. Can’t say that about even the most expensive ICE out there no matter who the CEO is.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Hardlyworking

If you agree with him, you are discussing. If you state another opinion, you are arguing.

Do think you nailed it. Sad that people cannot discuss things in a civilized manner these days

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Hardlyworking

If you agree with him, you are discussing. If you state another opinion, you are arguing.

Discussing is providing information that supports your point of view, drive by one liners is not discussion.