[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by DaveZ

Hahaha!! I’m with you! I have a Tesla M3 and LMAO at the folks in this thread that know so little but judge so big! Forced child labor, pollution, CEO, on and on. If anyone spent as much judgement on their Amazon purchase, their furniture, the paint and plastics in their own ICE, or anything else including the device their posting with they’d realize the emperor has no clothes.

Continue to love my EV and enjoy seeing that it’s worth much more used than I bought it for. Can’t say that about even the most expensive ICE out there no matter who the CEO is.

I agree, except many of the ones that disagree simply listen to certain media outlets and hate any thing the "other side" (close to being banned) believes. PERIOD.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Waterways not really good in the 1950's. Companies like GE north of NYC polluted the hudson river to the extent all fish in the river died. For that matter air quality not so great than either. Coal was used in huge quantities and scrubbers were not around.

That is all true and generally well know. My point was that suppose over time - scrubbers were used on power plants and they were converted from coal to natural gas. That would help the air. But, ALSO suppose that some attempt was made to control population.......like say limiting legal and illegal immigration. OR CHANGE THE TAX CODE so that people get a tax break for 1 or 2 children, but no break for any additional 3,4, or more children. Suppose that a tax principle like that and immigration laws (with teeth) had started in 1950. Then the US might have a population around say 200 million people and not be overpopulated like today and the road system would be adequate. The air and water would be MUCH cleaner.

Today our IC engine vehicles all have about $2,000 worth of smog control equipment and catalytic converters on them. Much of which would NOT be needed today if population was 200 million people. And with robotics and A.I. coming on strong in the next 5 years, the US does NOT need all these millions of people that it has accumulated since 1950. Switzerland controls its population, that is why each citizen there has greater wealth than the average US citizen. The Europeans tend to be TALLER than US citizens because they have better average healthcare. So, US overpopulation is NOT a good thing.

To KEEP America's air clean and healthy in spite of the excess population, America NEEDS to emphasize (through tax policy) ELECTRIC transportation vehicles. And even farm tractors and riding lawn mowers, lawn equipment, and golf carts. Incidentally, you can SMELL the pollution given off by ICE golf carts as they drive by you. That is OBVIOUSLY a easily corrected source of pollution. Just buy a EV golf cart next time......for the good of America!

[DaveZ]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is all true and generally well know. My point was that suppose over time - scrubbers were used on power plants and they were converted from coal to natural gas. That would help the air. But, ALSO suppose that some attempt was made to control population.......like say limiting legal and illegal immigration. OR CHANGE THE TAX CODE so that people get a tax break for 1 or 2 children, but no break for any additional 3,4, or more children. Suppose that a tax principle like that and immigration laws (with teeth) had started in 1950. Then the US might have a population around say 200 million people and not be overpopulated like today and the road system would be adequate. The air and water would be MUCH cleaner.

Today our IC engine vehicles all have about $2,000 worth of smog control equipment and catalytic converters on them. Much of which would NOT be needed today if population was 200 million people. And with robotics and A.I. coming on strong in the next 5 years, the US does NOT need all these millions of people that it has accumulated since 1950. Switzerland controls its population, that is why each citizen there has greater wealth than the average US citizen. The Europeans tend to be TALLER than US citizens because they have better average healthcare. So, US overpopulation is NOT a good thing.

To KEEP America's air clean and healthy in spite of the excess population, America NEEDS to emphasize (through tax policy) ELECTRIC transportation vehicles. And even farm tractors and riding lawn mowers, lawn equipment, and golf carts. Incidentally, you can SMELL the pollution given off by ICE golf carts as they drive by you. That is OBVIOUSLY a easily corrected source of pollution. Just buy a EV golf cart next time......for the good of America!

Reducing the population could potentially solve almost all of our problems but if someone with this thinking were left with just me on the planet, I’d still have one.

It would sap my attention span at light speed trying to point out how much information your opinion has lacking on most of your points. I’ll just suggest you get some friends in the countries you mention and read something real (as in truth and data not opinion or talking points). I hope you change your mind.

[Bogie Shooter]

Interesting, top 5 posters have something to argue about… to replace mask debate.

[Jimbob the Newbie]

Originally Posted by DaveZ

Hahaha!! I’m with you! I have a Tesla M3 and LMAO at the folks in this thread that know so little but judge so big! Forced child labor, pollution, CEO, on and on. If anyone spent as much judgement on their Amazon purchase, their furniture, the paint and plastics in their own ICE, or anything else including the device their posting with they’d realize the emperor has no clothes.

Continue to love my EV and enjoy seeing that it’s worth much more used than I bought it for. Can’t say that about even the most expensive ICE out there no matter who the CEO is.

MX owner here. I bought it because of the technology that drives it, technology the EV industry forced the ICE manufacturers to adopt. I DIDN'T purchase it to make a political statement, despite so many people trying to make the ownership of an EV into a reason to widen the divide.

This has been my Florida car for a couple of years, but when gas prices flew through the roof, it only made sense - for me - to take it up north. Normally I drive a Durango back and forth from IL to FL, and it takes 4 or 5 tankfuls of petrol to make the trip. I stopped a little more often to charge up my X, but my total supercharging costs were less than 1-1/2 tanks of gasoline.

You do you, I will do me.

[DaveZ]

Originally Posted by Jimbob the Newbie

MX owner here. I bought it because of the technology that drives it, technology the EV industry forced the ICE manufacturers to adopt. I DIDN'T purchase it to make a political statement, despite so many people trying to make the ownership of an EV into a reason to widen the divide.

This has been my Florida car for a couple of years, but when gas prices flew through the roof, it only made sense - for me - to take it up north. Normally I drive a Durango back and forth from IL to FL, and it takes 4 or 5 tankfuls of petrol to make the trip. I stopped a little more often to charge up my X, but my total supercharging costs were less than 1-1/2 tanks of gasoline.

You do you, I will do me.

Truth. No politics at all. Your MX demonstrates that American knowledge, spirit, grit, and sure can do isn’t only mighty enough to help stop powerful, evil armies in their tracks but is also sexy and smooth with great MPG.

[Brad-tv]

Originally Posted by Jimbob the Newbie

MX owner here. I bought it because of the technology that drives it, technology the EV industry forced the ICE manufacturers to adopt. I DIDN'T purchase it to make a political statement, despite so many people trying to make the ownership of an EV into a reason to widen the divide.

This has been my Florida car for a couple of years, but when gas prices flew through the roof, it only made sense - for me - to take it up north. Normally I drive a Durango back and forth from IL to FL, and it takes 4 or 5 tankfuls of petrol to make the trip. I stopped a little more often to charge up my X, but my total supercharging costs were less than 1-1/2 tanks of gasoline.

You do you, I will do me.

Is that the Mazda-MX-30?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is all true and generally well know. My point was that suppose over time - scrubbers were used on power plants and they were converted from coal to natural gas. That would help the air. But, ALSO suppose that some attempt was made to control population.......like say limiting legal and illegal immigration. OR CHANGE THE TAX CODE so that people get a tax break for 1 or 2 children, but no break for any additional 3,4, or more children. Suppose that a tax principle like that and immigration laws (with teeth) had started in 1950. Then the US might have a population around say 200 million people and not be overpopulated like today and the road system would be adequate. The air and water would be MUCH cleaner.

Today our IC engine vehicles all have about $2,000 worth of smog control equipment and catalytic converters on them. Much of which would NOT be needed today if population was 200 million people. And with robotics and A.I. coming on strong in the next 5 years, the US does NOT need all these millions of people that it has accumulated since 1950. Switzerland controls its population, that is why each citizen there has greater wealth than the average US citizen. The Europeans tend to be TALLER than US citizens because they have better average healthcare. So, US overpopulation is NOT a good thing.

To KEEP America's air clean and healthy in spite of the excess population, America NEEDS to emphasize (through tax policy) ELECTRIC transportation vehicles. And even farm tractors and riding lawn mowers, lawn equipment, and golf carts. Incidentally, you can SMELL the pollution given off by ICE golf carts as they drive by you. That is OBVIOUSLY a easily corrected source of pollution. Just buy a EV golf cart next time......for the good of America!

Even if we did all that and do not think that is going to happen what are your plans for the rest of the world?

[Michael G.]

One thing I learn when shopping for anything electric, (maybe the same goes for EV cars when stating mileage).
I bought a electric self-propelled lawn mower, when run-time is stated at 1 hour, it's not the same as operating-time.

When I'm actually mowing my lawn, I'm lucky to get 1/2 that in mowing time.

With any EV, I would think temperature, load, speed would affect any mileage.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is all true and generally well know. My point was that suppose over time - scrubbers were used on power plants and they were converted from coal to natural gas. That would help the air. But, ALSO suppose that some attempt was made to control population.......like say limiting legal and illegal immigration. OR CHANGE THE TAX CODE so that people get a tax break for 1 or 2 children, but no break for any additional 3,4, or more children. Suppose that a tax principle like that and immigration laws (with teeth) had started in 1950. Then the US might have a population around say 200 million people and not be overpopulated like today and the road system would be adequate. The air and water would be MUCH cleaner.

Today our IC engine vehicles all have about $2,000 worth of smog control equipment and catalytic converters on them. Much of which would NOT be needed today if population was 200 million people. And with robotics and A.I. coming on strong in the next 5 years, the US does NOT need all these millions of people that it has accumulated since 1950. Switzerland controls its population, that is why each citizen there has greater wealth than the average US citizen. The Europeans tend to be TALLER than US citizens because they have better average healthcare. So, US overpopulation is NOT a good thing.

To KEEP America's air clean and healthy in spite of the excess population, America NEEDS to emphasize (through tax policy) ELECTRIC transportation vehicles. And even farm tractors and riding lawn mowers, lawn equipment, and golf carts. Incidentally, you can SMELL the pollution given off by ICE golf carts as they drive by you. That is OBVIOUSLY a easily corrected source of pollution. Just buy a EV golf cart next time......for the good of America!

You mean, like in 1970 (when the US Population was 205 Million people), and the smog was so thick you could cut it with a knife?

BTW, what EV do you drive?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You mean, like in 1970 (when the US Population was 205 Million people), and the smog was so thick you could cut it with a knife?

BTW, what EV do you drive?

Why do you have to confuse me with facts?

[Jimbob the Newbie]

Originally Posted by Brad-tv

Is that the Mazda-MX-30?

Not even close. Tesla Model X.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You mean, like in 1970 (when the US Population was 205 Million people), and the smog was so thick you could cut it with a knife?

BTW, what EV do you drive?

Total US pollution and smog EQUALS pollution produced by the average citizen TIMES the number of citizens.
.....Or P (total) = P (average) X N (US population) ......Therefore, total pollution may be LOWERED by either lowering the average citizen's pollution by smog controls on ICE vehicles or giving tax breaks for EVs .....OR preventing overpopulation. Incidentally..... I personally own an Ebike!

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Total US pollution and smog EQUALS pollution produced by the average citizen TIMES the number of citizens.
.....Or P (total) = P (average) X N (US population) ......Therefore, total pollution may be LOWERED by either lowering the average citizen's pollution by smog controls on ICE vehicles or giving tax breaks for EVs .....OR preventing overpopulation. Incidentally..... I personally own an Ebike!

But people still have debris burning all over the country. One good burn pollutes neighbors for miles. What does that do to the environment?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Even if we did all that and do not think that is going to happen what are your plans for the rest of the world?

We can only control what we do. We can encourage the rest of the world as we have always done through economic and political pressure.

MOST of the world are not Christian, so, should Christians stop?

Let's not forget that we (5% of the worlds population) generate 25% of the worlds carbon emissions. We were #1 in the world in emissions for a LONG time, but now China is competing for that position.