[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

One poster continues to suggest "tax breaks" as an incentive for one to purchase an EV. Explain to the rest of us how a "tax break" helps lower income folks that do not itemize their tax returns or even make enough income to make a "tax break" even feasible. How is a "tax break" really going to help those that WORK for a living pay for such an expense as an EV costs? Are you going to wave a magic wand and make EVs cheap?

Chevrolet makes a EV for $ 40 K before everybody's favorite thing........"tax breaks" I am sure that most TV Landers can afford $ 40 K for a more reliable vehicle that pays for itself by eliminating EXPENSIVE and polluting gasoline, which makes SAUDI Arabia rich (see how PATRIOTIC that can be !). While it preserves the earth for their GRANDCHILDREN. Be good to the NEXT generation.........buy an electric vehicle. Even if it is just a golf cart or an E-bike. BE the GOOD in the world !!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

There is no such thing as a tax break, only a tax shift. The revenue has to come from somewhere. The same people calling for tax breaks are the same ones who can’t comprehend the fact that the never ending budget deficits have lead to an unsustainable national debt.

The revenue benefit will come from NOT wasting money and making the Saudis rich. Cleaner AIR will let US citizens live longer and have longer PRODUCTIVE years. CLEANER AIR will increase average health and cut down on wasted time for patients being hospitalized.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

As I understand it, whether or not you itemize has nothing to do with the $7500 EV tax credit. It is a credit deducted directly from your total tax obligation. But, you must have a tax obligation for the year to get the credit. So, as long as you paid at least $7500 in Federal income tax, you will fully benefit from the credit. If your tax obligation is less than $7500, you can only claim the amount of your tax obligation. However, there is a possibility that the car manufacturers will price the vehicles higher because they are aware of the tax credit you will receive.

Good informative post. Kudos !

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Chevrolet make a EV for $ 40 K before everybody's favorite thing........"tax breaks" I am sure that most TV Landers can afford $ 40 K for a more reliable vehicle that pays for itself by eliminating EXPENSIVE and polluting gasoline, which makes SAUDI Arabia rich (see how PATRIOTIC that can be !). While it preserves the earth for their GRANDCHILDREN. Be good to the NEXT generation.........buy an electric vehicle. Even if it is just a golf cart or an E-bike. BE the GOOD in the world !!!!!!!

Yep this is the Bolt EV / EUV you’re referring to. This is the one that had battery fires and was banned from parking lots etc etc. I’m a member of their Facebook site since I may …possibly… buy an EV, prospect in the future. There are some other EVs, but more $$$ that are rated much better. The Bolt had that jellybean shape - uggg. And has its share of issues.

GM will be conducting a recall of Bolt EVs (2017-2022) and Bolt EUVs (2022) to address the risk of battery fires in these vehicles. Out of an abundance of caution, GM will replace defective lithium-ion battery modules in Chevrolet Bolt EVs and EUVs with new lithium-ion modules.

There are 7 fuel/propulsion system complaints, 5 powertrain complaints, 3 that relate to service brakes, and 2 to do with steering. Airbag, lane departure, suspension, tires, and vehicle speed control issues also feature.

Also, batteries catching on fire isn’t the only issue with batteries. Bradley Berman, who writes for Autoweek, says he leased a Bolt for three years. During that time, his battery pack was replaced three times due to cell failure. The car didn’t go up in flames, it simply stopped on the road leaving him stranded!

Oh by the way batteries come from China. So a purchase profits our ‘enemy’ and probably worker abuse etc etc. yes, be good to the next generation and fund China even more…

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Taking a time machine way back, we find that there were SIMILAR complains about the TRANSITION from HORSE transportation to automobile transportation!

Many people complained, " I can feed my horse anywhere and conveniently on readily available GRASS. Where with one of those dag-gon, loud, stinky automotivebilly-things I would have to hunt all over for gas in its stupid tank !"

Not a "complaint".
Very simple matter of fact resulting in a personal conclusion/decision.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It IS true that in major US cities the was dirty air. Particularly those cities with a lot of industrial production and smokestacks. Today the US has outsourced its dirty air to China. And Chinese bad air and pollution does NOT stop at the bortder of China - it travels around the world and the pollution affects the upper OZONE layer, which is NOT able to block solar radiation - as well as it did in the 1950s. India is overpopulated also and causing world pollution. Pollution leads to GLOBAL WARMING - which needs to be OFFSET by efforts like the US is doing to PROMOTE purchases of EVs by giving tax breaks.

As far as "fear mongering and disasters not happening in this century" I can DISAGREE with that and I would suggest that everyone read today's article in News Break that says, " Dangerous heat will impact Florida and much of the US over the next 50 years." Starting next year (not 100 years away) Florida will have TWICE as many over 100 heat index days as compared to recent years. Florida, Texas and even states ass far north as Wisconsin will begin to experience dangerous heat index days (some as high as 125)

Right now Florida and Texas are in the path of ORGANIC dust blown in from the Sahara desert due to global Warming. The Antartica has ice sheets dropping into the ocean much FASTER than most scientists expected. This is happening so fast that a young person would be stupid to buy BEACHFRONT property in Florida. The problem is that most people are living their lives while being ignorant or UNCARING about the future, but SOON approaching effects of Global Warming.

And the point is that it is becoming important and URGENT that people begin to switch from ICE vehicles to EVs. It IS important for the next generations. It can EVEN be thought of as PATRIOTIC to do so. Help your grandchildren and do the RIGHT thing. The US government is TRYING to help you!

Except Antarctic ice is actually growing...

Recent growth and sudden declines in Antarctic sea ice to be unique changes since the early 20th century: Research paints a dramatic first-ever picture for weather and climate implications on the world’s southernmost continent -- ScienceDaily

Oh, and I must have missed your answer to my question... What kind of car did you say you drove again?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

As I understand it, whether or not you itemize has nothing to do with the $7500 EV tax credit. It is a credit deducted directly from your total tax obligation. But, you must have a tax obligation for the year to get the credit. So, as long as you paid at least $7500 in Federal income tax, you will fully benefit from the credit. If your tax obligation is less than $7500, you can only claim the amount of your tax obligation. However, there is a possibility that the car manufacturers will price the vehicles higher because they are aware of the tax credit you will receive.

Ford has just announced an increased in prices of up to $8500... Go figure..

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

Yep this is the Bolt EV / EUV you’re referring to. This is the one that had battery fires and was banned from parking lots etc etc. I’m a member of their Facebook site since I may …possibly… buy an EV, prospect in the future. There are some other EVs, but more $$$ that are rated much better. The Bolt had that jellybean shape - uggg. And has its share of issues.

GM will be conducting a recall of Bolt EVs (2017-2022) and Bolt EUVs (2022) to address the risk of battery fires in these vehicles. Out of an abundance of caution, GM will replace defective lithium-ion battery modules in Chevrolet Bolt EVs and EUVs with new lithium-ion modules.

There are 7 fuel/propulsion system complaints, 5 powertrain complaints, 3 that relate to service brakes, and 2 to do with steering. Airbag, lane departure, suspension, tires, and vehicle speed control issues also feature.

Also, batteries catching on fire isn’t the only issue with batteries. Bradley Berman, who writes for Autoweek, says he leased a Bolt for three years. During that time, his battery pack was replaced three times due to cell failure. The car didn’t go up in flames, it simply stopped on the road leaving him stranded!

Oh by the way batteries come from China. So a purchase profits our ‘enemy’ and probably worker abuse etc etc. yes, be good to the next generation and fund China even more…

I see so your argument is that since they had a problem, you will never buy one.

Battery fires a rare, GM ALREADY replaced ALL the defective batteries.

I have no idea where bolt batteries come from but I know that GM has announced a factory here in the states coming soon. Tesla batteries come from HERE in the US.

As always there is a certain segment of the population that loves to find anything that makes something less than perfect. I remember people saying they would never own. a cell phone - too unreliable. ahem...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Chevrolet makes a EV for $ 40 K before everybody's favorite thing........"tax breaks" I am sure that most TV Landers can afford $ 40 K for a more reliable vehicle that pays for itself by eliminating EXPENSIVE and polluting gasoline, which makes SAUDI Arabia rich (see how PATRIOTIC that can be !). While it preserves the earth for their GRANDCHILDREN. Be good to the NEXT generation.........buy an electric vehicle. Even if it is just a golf cart or an E-bike. BE the GOOD in the world !!!!!!!

When are you buying one?

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I see so your argument is that since they had a problem, you will never buy one.

Battery fires a rare, GM ALREADY replaced ALL the defective batteries.

I have no idea where bolt batteries come from but I know that GM has announced a factory here in the states coming soon. Tesla batteries come from HERE in the US.

As always there is a certain segment of the population that loves to find anything that makes something less than perfect. I remember people saying they would never own. a cell phone - too unreliable. ahem...

A “problem”??? Yikes these are very serious issues. BTW I am a proponent of EVs - just don’t force them down our throats. It should be a choice. I believe that EVs will become the majority of vehicles at some time in the next decade or so. But do not feel that those who do not move are Against that technology. But it must make financial sense for consumers. For us not yet. Period.

BTW just heard that the new Bill signed will provide EV buyers earning up to $250,000/ yr to get the $7500 tax credit. OMG.

BTW if we do go EV I would go to a plug in hybrid. Best of both worlds IMO. Most have EV/electric range at about 50 miles which would be perfect for us. That coupled with the gas engine would get a 400+ mile range and stop for gas on long trips. And or plug it in to get the Electric range too. The Hyundai Tucson is rated very highly and tops in the tech. Just sayin’

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

A “problem”??? Yikes these are very serious issues. BTW I am a proponent of EVs - just don’t force them down our throats. It should be a choice. I believe that EVs will become the majority of vehicles at some time in the next decade or so. But do not feel that those who do not move are Against that technology. But it must make financial sense for consumers. For us not yet. Period.

BTW just heard that the new Bill signed will provide EV buyers earning up to $250,000/ yr to get the $7500 tax credit. OMG.

BTW if we do go EV I would go to a plug in hybrid. Best of both worlds IMO. Most have EV/electric range at about 50 miles which would be perfect for us. That coupled with the gas engine would get a 400+ mile range and stop for gas on long trips. And or plug it in to get the Electric range too. The Hyundai Tucson is rated very highly and tops in the tech. Just sayin’

Fire were a problem with a few, so they replaced them all - yes, just a problem. Not to many years ago Ford and GM both had problems with gas tanks exploding when you got hit. Not one stopped buying ICE at that time. And as I said, fire per mile driven were much lower in EV than ICE.

I really don't understand the constant use of the word "force" when all that is happening is various economic incentives are being provided to ENCOURAGE people to move to EVs - make them more affordable (I think that was one of your criteria.)

GM has announced their new battery pack will have a range of (I think) 450 miles. I am passing on the hybrid, it WAS a good alternative. I do not think we will be replacing either of our cars within the next 2 to 5 years, but when we do replace it/them we will be going EV. 99.9% of our driving is within 200 miles - so, todays models will reach there, where we can eat, charge and drive back.

[Hardlyworking]

Hyundai has a recall on some of their ICE models. They recommend you park them outside in case of fire.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Hardlyworking

Hyundai has a recall on some of their ICE models. They recommend you park them outside in case of fire.

Safety regulators are making that requirement. The problem is not with the batteries, it is with the charge controller and a defective fuse. They are fixing that also, just like GM fixed theirs.

ICE vehicles has 35 million cars recalled from 1000 recalls last year.

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The revenue benefit will come from NOT wasting money and making the Saudis rich. Cleaner AIR will let US citizens live longer and have longer PRODUCTIVE years. CLEANER AIR will increase average health and cut down on wasted time for patients being hospitalized.

2 years ago we weren't making the Saudis rich, America was getting rich. The only thing getting cleaner is American's pockets.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

2 years ago we weren't making the Saudis rich, America was getting rich. The only thing getting cleaner is American's pockets.

Absolutely correct. And one reason why in prior posts I alluded that car owners are being pushed to go EV. Gas prices Would not be high as they are if we had policies as in the past. Putin no doubt would not have moved and we would be fulfilling our own energy needs. Then, at a proper pace, conversion to more Green energy without bankrupting our country, and watch other countries pump pollution into the atmosphere.

And $7500 EV rebate to folks earning $200-250K year. Funded by income taxes from more than 2/3 of the USA taxpayers whose income can’t come close to that….
As I had posted before at my tax rate I could NOT use even a small portion of that Credit if I buy an EV even though I’m paying taxes…

The rich get richer including those in charge of making the rules…