[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

The American people prefer going at their convenience not based on train schedule.

The real Historic truth behind the demise of the railroads is that Dwight Eisenhower, as an intelligent military expert, realized that the US needed an INTERSTATE highway system like Germany had in order to move military equipment and men around the country in the event of an attack.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

We have a battery electric cart. For several reasons. I hate to have to hold my breath in tunnels.
I understand they are not for all. So be it. Fine for us. A choice.

And yes. Seldom hear about small 2 cycle engines and their pollution. All the lawn equipment. No pollution controls at all. I also have a batt elec lawn mower and trimmers. I’m not a “Green” guy, but like the convenience of electric tools. No mess with gas or oils etc.

We agree!

[Spectreron]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Would you please stop shaking your head and explain to all of us how many wind farms, solar farms, dams, etc. can we anticipate devouring the land Americans depend on for food, dwellings and so forth, are required to even begin to supply the vast amounts of electricity that will be necessary for this boondoggle. Also, examine life spans of turbines, solar panels and the debris remaining at the end of their relatively short life spans. Then, how will extreme damage from hurricanes, tornadoes and wild fires to this equipment affect residents of those areas. This is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Welcome to the new world of brown and black outs and will everyone be held to the same standards or will the DC elite get a pass?

Whoa Dude, nice rant! Now I'm really shaking my head!

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Would you please stop shaking your head and explain to all of us how many wind farms, solar farms, dams, etc. can we anticipate devouring the land Americans depend on for food, dwellings and so forth, are required to even begin to supply the vast amounts of electricity that will be necessary for this boondoggle. Also, examine life spans of turbines, solar panels and the debris remaining at the end of their relatively short life spans. Then, how will extreme damage from hurricanes, tornadoes and wild fires to this equipment affect residents of those areas. This is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Welcome to the new world of brown and black outs and will everyone be held to the same standards or will the DC elite get a pass?

Pretty much sums it up, we are all doomed and failures, and since we can't answer ALL your questions, well, why bother trying to lead the world in anything. Let's just spiral on downward while the rest of the word moves forward.

Numerous answers have been giving to ALL your doubts and answers, but you like so many aren't interested. All you want to do is point out why n nothing can ever be done.

People also said, cars will never replace horses.

People also said we could never land and reuse rockets.

People also said EV's will never work or be practical. And yet, Tesla is the best selling cars in some countries and the Model Y is on track to be the best selling car in the world.

People said solar will never be practical, and now it competes around the world with fossil fuel power.

There is always someone to tell us why we can never do anything.

On and on...

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Spectreron

Whoa Dude, nice rant! Now I'm really shaking my head!

When someone responds with questions to your declarations, you decide and label them as ranting, lol. In other words, you hadn’t thought about those things.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Pretty much sums it up, we are all doomed and failures, and since we can't answer ALL your questions, well, why bother trying to lead the world in anything. Let's just spiral on downward while the rest of the word moves forward.

Numerous answers have been giving to ALL your doubts and answers, but you like so many aren't interested. All you want to do is point out why n nothing can ever be done.

People also said, cars will never replace horses.

People also said we could never land and reuse rockets.

People also said EV's will never work or be practical. And yet, Tesla is the best selling cars in some countries and the Model Y is on track to be the best selling car in the world.

People said solar will never be practical, and now it competes around the world with fossil fuel power.

There is always someone to tell us why we can never do anything.

On and on...

Solar competes with fossil fuel power… no competition. Think through and research exactly what limitations come with solar power.

All this clutching at the idea everyone is now embracing the very limited ability evs over ces is your philosophy. Can’t wait to see the first solar jet fighter, since solar is the answer to everything.

[Spectreron]

Originally Posted by Aces4

When someone responds with questions to your declarations, you decide and label them as ranting, lol. In other words, you hadn’t thought about those things.

Aces, this isn't a tree hugger thing, it's a new technology thing. I'm no fan of wind farms either. Nothing wrong with dams. The grid can handle it and will grow as needed, you know $$$$ talks. The damn things are safer than Volvos and a blast to drive. They deserve an honest look.

[Calisport]

Electric Lithium golf cart only. Never a regular car gas or electric again if I can help it. Too expensive.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Spectreron

Aces, this isn't a tree hugger thing, it's a new technology thing. I'm no fan of wind farms either. Nothing wrong with dams. The grid can handle it and will grow as needed, you know $$$$ talks. The damn things are safer than Volvos and a blast to drive. They deserve an honest look.

I should state that I don’t hate evs, my irritation is with the brief time line declared for such a major transition for the US when the homework, grid capabilities, and flaws have not been sufficiently examined.

The financial pressure being applied to everyday citizens to convert to evs now is ridiculous when in all reality, this conversion could make the pollution problems much worse. Throw the baby out with the bath water! Why not develop a twenty year plan? Most people will have converted before that, the grid may be able to handle it and the kinks would be much fewer.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by biker1

For the vast majority in the US, less miles are driven per day then the range of most EVs so charging is done at night.

Sure around town EVs are great. But I take road trips of a thousand miles and drive it in two days. At this point in time I could not do that in an EV.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I should state that I don’t hate evs, my irritation is with the brief time line declared for such a major transition for the US when the homework, grid capabilities, and flaws have not been sufficiently examined.

The financial pressure being applied to everyday citizens to convert to evs now is ridiculous when in all reality, this conversion could make the pollution problems much worse. Throw the baby out with the bath water! Why not develop a twenty year plan? Most people will have converted before that, the grid may be able to handle it and the kinks would be much fewer.

For YEARS forward thinking politicians have been trying to incorporate green energy into our energy plan as a nation. Back in 2007 Al Gore was calling on the US to produce all its energy from zero-carbon sources within 10 years, and look where that got us. The last President dismantled nearly 100 policies focused on clean air, water, wildlife and toxic chemicals.

[biker1]

It would take longer with an EV. You would have to stop every 200 miles for about 20 minutes. It is what it is. Buy an EV or don't buy an EV, nobody cares what you do and nobody is forcing you to do anything.

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Sure around town EVs are great. But I take road trips of a thousand miles and drive it in two days. At this point in time I could not do that in an EV.

[biker1]

Exactly what pressure is being applied to you to buy an EV? You can buy whatever you want today and well into the future. EVs are another option. Gas cars will continue to be made for at least another 15 years, maybe more.

Originally Posted by Aces4

I should state that I don’t hate evs, my irritation is with the brief time line declared for such a major transition for the US when the homework, grid capabilities, and flaws have not been sufficiently examined.

The financial pressure being applied to everyday citizens to convert to evs now is ridiculous when in all reality, this conversion could make the pollution problems much worse. Throw the baby out with the bath water! Why not develop a twenty year plan? Most people will have converted before that, the grid may be able to handle it and the kinks would be much fewer.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Sure around town EVs are great. But I take road trips of a thousand miles and drive it in two days. At this point in time I could not do that in an EV.

Then do it in your Gas car, or fly.
No one is forcing anyone to go EV.
No one is stopping ICE for a long time.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Solar competes with fossil fuel power… no competition. Think through and research exactly what limitations come with solar power.

All this clutching at the idea everyone is now embracing the very limited ability evs over ces is your philosophy. Can’t wait to see the first solar jet fighter, since solar is the answer to everything.

You argument is exactly the issue with America today If something can't fix every thing it isn't work doing.

Solar DOES compete with fossil fuel in most of the world, just not here, it is replacing and augmenting electricity generation is many areas of the world, and is over 25% of electrical generation in some countries.

It is NO philosophy, it is fact.

300,000,000 automobiles compared to 2,000 fighter jets. And you say solar can't compete before it can't provide 2,000 jets.

Right.