[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

With all the news re Electric vehicles, how likely are YOU to purchase one? If not, why not?

For me, our 5 year old gas vehicle is perfectly fine for many many years. And at our tax rate cannot use any Tax Credit to lower price. But if our situation changed I would consider.

Zero chance. Nada, never….

[JP]

I think this electric car baloney is temporary. The best vehicles are hybrids and would reduce pollution enough. Until they do something significant in China, India, Africa, etc. forget about any USA changes in CO2 production as essentially a drop in the bucket and unduly directed at the US consumer. The only thing keeping us going right now as a country is our ability to print money and this gravy train is going to end soon.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not sure if I responded in this or not, and if I did, hopefully my opinion is the same or similar to a month ago. Over 20 pages and I'm too lazy to check.

I'd probably eventually get a hybrid, if charging stations were more plentiful and efficient on highways and even local municipalities.

I would definitely consider an electric golf cart IF I lived more central than I do now AND IF there were a few charging stations north and south of central.

Right now, the country hasn't caught up to the technology yet. In order to charge a fully electric (non-Tesla) vehicle on Florida's Turnpike, you have to let it sit a few HOURS before it's fully juiced up again. Compare to maybe 15 minutes tops if the line at the gas station is long that day at the rest area. If I'm travelling long distances or on the highway, the last thing I want is to be stuck at a rest area for hours on end just to charge some batteries.

Tesla is faster, they have their own charging stations. But it's still more than an hour.

[tuccillo]

Generally not true. Contemporary Tesla Superchargers will give you 200 miles in about 20 minutes. The charging rate is non-linear; the lower the starting SOC the faster the charging. Non-Tesla DC fast chargers can achieve similar rates. To suggest that "hours" is typical is incorrect.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not sure if I responded in this or not, and if I did, hopefully my opinion is the same or similar to a month ago. Over 20 pages and I'm too lazy to check.

I'd probably eventually get a hybrid, if charging stations were more plentiful and efficient on highways and even local municipalities.

I would definitely consider an electric golf cart IF I lived more central than I do now AND IF there were a few charging stations north and south of central.

Right now, the country hasn't caught up to the technology yet. In order to charge a fully electric (non-Tesla) vehicle on Florida's Turnpike, you have to let it sit a few HOURS before it's fully juiced up again. Compare to maybe 15 minutes tops if the line at the gas station is long that day at the rest area. If I'm travelling long distances or on the highway, the last thing I want is to be stuck at a rest area for hours on end just to charge some batteries.

Tesla is faster, they have their own charging stations. But it's still more than an hour.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Jimbob the Newbie

A friend calls conversations like this "Rarely right, but never uncertain."

r/confidentlyincorrect

Excellent post.

BTW, On the other board yesterday a poster mentioned a friend with an ICE vehicle running back up north from Florida before the hurricane gets here (tonight). They didn't make it - there was NO GAS to buy... ahem... Funny, an EV could park at a motel one night, plug in using an extension cord and get enough to go another hundred miles or more the next day - meanwhile lots of ICE are sitting waiting for gas to get delivered - during a hurricane...

How many times on this forum have we heard the complain that someone would never own a EV because in an emergency there would no where to charge. Ahem...

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

With all the news re Electric vehicles, how likely are YOU to purchase one? If not, why not?

For me, our 5 year old gas vehicle is perfectly fine for many many years. And at our tax rate cannot use any Tax Credit to lower price. But if our situation changed I would consider.

I am guessing that a lot of people who live here would… but they are not really practice for the masses. The create way more pollution to manufacture than the might safe. Simply put we are not ready for EV yet. Better options would be hydrogen vehicles.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Excellent post.

BTW, On the other board yesterday a poster mentioned a friend with an ICE vehicle running back up north from Florida before the hurricane gets here (tonight). They didn't make it - there was NO GAS to buy... ahem... Funny, an EV could park at a motel one night, plug in using an extension cord and get enough to go another hundred miles or more the next day - meanwhile lots of ICE are sitting waiting for gas to get delivered - during a hurricane...

How many times on this forum have we heard the complain that someone would never own a EV because in an emergency there would no where to charge. Ahem...

That is really FUNNY….

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

That is really FUNNY….

I'll take "Things that never happened for $800, Alex..."

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Excellent post.

BTW, On the other board yesterday a poster mentioned a friend with an ICE vehicle running back up north from Florida before the hurricane gets here (tonight). They didn't make it - there was NO GAS to buy... ahem... Funny, an EV could park at a motel one night, plug in using an extension cord and get enough to go another hundred miles or more the next day - meanwhile lots of ICE are sitting waiting for gas to get delivered - during a hurricane...

How many times on this forum have we heard the complain that someone would never own a EV because in an emergency there would no where to charge. Ahem...

When the power goes out because there's a hurricane, you're not going to charge your EV until the power is restored.

[2CopsMom]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

With all the news re Electric vehicles, how likely are YOU to purchase one? If not, why not?

For me, our 5 year old gas vehicle is perfectly fine for many many years. And at our tax rate cannot use any Tax Credit to lower price. But if our situation changed I would consider.

Here in the Bluegrass State, we call those coal-fired cars.

[MorTech]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Generally not true. Contemporary Tesla Superchargers will give you 200 miles in about 20 minutes. The charging rate is non-linear; the lower the starting SOC the faster the charging. Non-Tesla DC fast chargers can achieve similar rates. To suggest that "hours" is typical is incorrect.

The sweet spot for rapid charging with minimal cell degradation in lithium chemistry is between 25%-75%...The middle of the cell. The key is to wick heat away from the cell as rapidly as possible. The new tabless 4680 cell is designed to do just that.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

When the power goes out because there's a hurricane, you're not going to charge your EV until the power is restored.

It was not here. I agree, they had left (along with hundreds of thousands) and when they got someplace north of here, maybe Georgia the stations were sold out of gas. Which was my point. That is one of the exact senecios that has been repeatedly given for not buying an EV, so they would be able to get away when an emergency came up and EVs wouldn't because of the power outage.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

When the power goes out because there's a hurricane, you're not going to charge your EV until the power is restored.

When the power goes out because of a hurricane, you are advised to NOT go out and drive around. Chances are if you charge at home, you EV will be fully charged and sit in the garage until power comes back on.

If you have a medical emergency, first you are not supposed to drive, you are supposed to call 911 and take a taxi. But, if you decide to drive to a hospital, the 200 mile range will probably get you to a hospital.

So, neither EV or ICE has an advantage in that scenario.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

When the power goes out because of a hurricane, you are advised to NOT go out and drive around. Chances are if you charge at home, you EV will be fully charged and sit in the garage until power comes back on.

If you have a medical emergency, first you are not supposed to drive, you are supposed to call 911 and take a taxi. But, if you decide to drive to a hospital, the 200 mile range will probably get you to a hospital.

So, neither EV or ICE has an advantage in that scenario.

What if the power is out for a week? I suppose one could buy a gas generator for back up charges….

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Aces4

What if the power is out for a week? I suppose one could buy a gas generator for back up charges….

Okay, I will bite, where are you going (200 to 250 mile range) if the power is out? Gas stations can't pump or charge you, grocery stores can't run the cash registers, banks are definitely not going to be open, etc.

So, let's accept that the situation occurs and both the EV and an ICE are full. The EV (current) has a 200 to 300 mile capacity, the ICE has a 400 mile capacity.

If you are going up north, are we assuming there is NO power for 200 miles north of here? That would be a pretty serious catastrophe.

52 weeks of 200 miles of driving comes out to 10K per year. That is more than I drive now without a power outage. My point here being I except 200 to 400 miles range is more than most people will need for a week without power.

Also, GM has already announced a 400 mile range (I think for next year). Others are doing the same.

MOST of the arguments I hear/read are saying why EVs won't work now. And I completely agree, if tomorrow we all woke up and found an EV had magically replaced our ICE vehicles, we would be in a world of hurts with circuit breakers popping on all the transmission grids. But that is not going to happen. It is not physically possible to replace 300 million ICE vehicles in even a decade. Even in 3 decades would be a push, that is 10 million cars a year for 30 years. We currently sell about 17 million cars and trucks per year. Converting all those factories to EV is going to take time, so some percentage of that 17 million will become EVs, but certainly not all any time soon. So, we have at least 30 years, probably more, to transition. Meaning improve infrastructure, improve battery technology, convert factories, etc, etc, etc. A lot of work.

Also, I really liked a comment by Jay Leno recently. He expects people to keep their ICE vehicles around for a long time - for those limited cases where the EV is just not appropriate. But the benefits of driving an EV all the other times (two miles to Publix from my house) far out weigh the negatives. So, he expects most people will have one of each for a while until we can transition.