[quirky3]

Holy cow! I'm not really fond of our discussions about carrying concealed weapons, but check this out - - from Ocala!!
Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
Fess up, Figmo!!

[natickdan]

Watching this made my morning.

[rp001]

hope he got them

[George Bieniaszek]

I saw the clip on TV yesterday and it made my day!!! The two trouser stains ended up going to the hospital for gunshot wounds and were arrested there!!!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Holy cow! I'm not really fond of our discussions about carrying concealed weapons, but check this out - - from Ocala!!
Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
Fess up, Figmo!!

I saw that. Was that our Figmo?

[k2at]

That guy is crazy. If he had shot an innocent bystander he could lose all he has and maybe more. One does not just go ahead and spray the area with bullets. He should have let them run and called the cops. As they were fleeing, they presented no threat to him and therefore the use of deadly force was not justified. By the way, I am not a tree hugger, am a licensed concealed carry individual and I would not hesitate to use my handgun if I feared for my life. The one point stressed in class is the best defense is to run away.

OK, start flaming me.

[graciegirl]

He may have been......... I don't do guns, but it was good to see that the good guys shot the bad guys this time and an older one too. Yay Geezers!

What is an internet cafe? Is it a legal gambling place?

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

He may have been......... I don't do guns, but it was good to see that the good guys shot the bad guys this time and an older one too. Yay Geezers!

What is an internet cafe? Is it a legal gambling place?

An internet cafe is:
"A retail establishment that rents computers by the hour. Also called a "cybercafe," the first Internet cafes started in Europe in the mid-1990s and offered coffee and dessert like a regular coffee shop. Today's venues may provide computers only or also sell a variety of accessories and gadgets as well as coffee and food. For a list of Internet cafes around the world, visit www.cybercafe.com"
They are helpful if your home computer is broken, if you are having a power outage, if you are traveling to an area without your computer, for soldiers on leave, etc. I even know a guy who lives on his boat and goes to an internet cafe to wait out a storm when the waves rock the boat too much.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

This is more and more what internet cafes have become, at least in OH:

Cuyahoga County prosecutor says Internet sweepstakes cafes are illegal | cleveland.com

A lot of them have evolved beyond how the original concept began (as quirky correctly stated above).

Bill

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Holy cow! I'm not really fond of our discussions about carrying concealed weapons, but check this out - - from Ocala!!
Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
Fess up, Figmo!!

He seems to know what he is shooting at from the looks of this video. This is not a good example to follow though, the money lost is not worth a life lost if this turned out badly. You would think that would have a security guard in a situation like this unless this is a place where you gamble via credit/debit cards??

[rp001]

Originally Posted by k2at

That guy is crazy. If he had shot an innocent bystander he could lose all he has and maybe more. One does not just go ahead and spray the area with bullets. He should have let them run and called the cops. As they were fleeing, they presented no threat to him and therefore the use of deadly force was not justified. By the way, I am not a tree hugger, am a licensed concealed carry individual and I would not hesitate to use my handgun if I feared for my life. The one point stressed in class is the best defense is to run away.

OK, start flaming me.

Did we see the same video???? the only time those "trouser stains" ever fleed,was when the geezer drew down on them and peppered their butts..I think they should have been carried out, at least that would have saved us a lot of money..Now we have to feed and house these pos...Of course they will probably get probation...I believe the Fl law covers any collateral damage and I don't think Matt Dillon will be responsible..Way to go...Hope the state buys him MORE ammunition

[Rebel Pirate]

Originally Posted by k2at

That guy is crazy. If he had shot an innocent bystander he could lose all he has and maybe more. One does not just go ahead and spray the area with bullets. He should have let them run and called the cops. As they were fleeing, they presented no threat to him and therefore the use of deadly force was not justified. By the way, I am not a tree hugger, am a licensed concealed carry individual and I would not hesitate to use my handgun if I feared for my life. The one point stressed in class is the best defense is to run away.

OK, start flaming me.

Nope, you are right k2at...totally agree. Just because you know how to get into a "ready, hit" stance, control a handgun, and have a good aim, doesn't mean it's a good idea to shoot. It could have turned out much worse. HOWEVER, we don't have the same knowledge/perspective as that of the gentleman defender/shooter. If he had NOT taken action, it could have turned out much MUCH worse. Given the choice between an unnecessary shot at a fleeing felon and receiving return fire, I'd opt for the unnecessary shot at the bad guys.

[Figmo Bohica]

Originally Posted by k2at

That guy is crazy. If he had shot an innocent bystander he could lose all he has and maybe more. One does not just go ahead and spray the area with bullets. He should have let them run and called the cops. As they were fleeing, they presented no threat to him and therefore the use of deadly force was not justified. By the way, I am not a tree hugger, am a licensed concealed carry individual and I would not hesitate to use my handgun if I feared for my life. The one point stressed in class is the best defense is to run away.

OK, start flaming me.

On this one I have to agree with you. No one was being threatened with immediate harm, especially the CWL holder from what the video clip shows. Once he fired one shot and then once the trio started running for the door the shooter and all the others where no longer under any threat and from the video evidence he chased them to the door and kept shooting. Stress and tunnel vision where in play. Under Florida law once the threat is no longer in your face and you keep shooting you can be charged with a felony crime. I really don't think that we have heard the last of this unless there is more to this that then the short clip shows, that has been posted. Have to wait for the full investigation to be completed.

Also unless you go to the range often, like more than once a year, doing what the old guy did could result in law suits from shooting bystanders. If you don't shoot under stress, and this situation would have been stressfull for sure, you develope tunnel vision and only see what is in front of you.

So, what would I have done. I would have carefully drawn my firearm, keeping it hidden from sight, then if the trio of bad guys started hurting anyone I would have then taken action, its the "stand in their shoes" rule. Google that, its interesting and tells a lot about self defense situations here in Florida.

On a side note, have you noticed that all the signs at Walmart, "No weapons allowed" have been removed. That stems from an incident in Albuquerque, NW, where a 70 plus year old gentleman killed an ex-husband of a Walmart employee who was in the act of stabbing her to death. He was justified in his actions, for if he would not have acted the women would have been killed. That is an example of "standing in their shoes" rule. It is the same as if it is happening to you, personally.

When you obtain a concealed carry permit it does not make you a "de facto" police officer. It is for your protection, the protection of your loved ones or someone who is actually being harmed, killed or likely to cause great body harm. Your best defense is aviodance, deterence and to be the best witness that you can. If you can safely grab your cell phone, call 911 and then video the incident, but be ready to protect yourself and those around you.

Now come take my class on self defense, join a shooting club and really learn how to shoot and when to shoot, then being able to actually hit the target is a benefit of all this training.

Have a happy day.

[buggyone]

Very interesting video clip. I have problems with the "armed citizen" though.

In a crowded place (30 customers), he pulls out his handgun and begins to shoot at the robbers. His aim was not good enough to drop them with his
.380 pistol. He kept firing even after their backs were turned toward him and they were clear of the gambling hall.

He had good motive but still should have been arrested and charged with reckless endangerment.

By the way, the "internet cafe" was a gambling hall where the players gamble on computers that look and act just like slot machines. They do not pay off in cash but in "phone cards" that the management gives you money for when you "sell" them to the cashier. It is just a way to get around the casino rules.

[rp001]

I'm no expert by any means..I just know what I think is right...Narrow set of standards I guess..Question for the experts..What is the difference between this case and the one in Plantation Fl where the ex marine pulled a 45 and head shot two robbers?...I know he was threatened by one of them personally as they tried to put him in a walk in refrigerator..What I saw in the video were two thugs threatening several defenseless folks with deadly weapons...And one armed citizen coming to the whole group's aid...Just hope I get on that jury..He'd get a medal..