[Road-Runner]

Originally Posted by Sherry8bal

Fauci is just another overpaid "government" worker who says whatever POTUS wants him to say in order to keep the American public scared. I hear people out getting a booster shot when it's not needed in the first place. These same people have Alexis, etc. in their homes and don't think one iota that "someone" is listening to everything that goes on in their own home. Ever read the book "1984"???

I ask people that all the time, and as time has gone on the answer has become 'No' much more often. People are sheep just like those in power want them to be.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

No you are not. Many times you offer no alternate view backed by facts, you just throw out nasty remarks. I do not see how that is going to accomplish anything other than turn people off to what you say.

Then you need to read my posts more carefully

[Road-Runner]

Originally Posted by fcgiii

A problem centers around those who throw the word "science" around but have no clue what science is and could not begin to describe the scientific method. A bigger problem is that there seems to be very little science going on or at least available for reporting to the public. That which is reported through the mainstream media favors the narrative of fear. Where is the science comparing the effectiveness of recovering from COVID vs. the vaccines? Instead of a vaccine passport, why not have people get tested for antibodies, which better describe the immune condition of an individual? How effective are the masks that are being pushed down even to newborns? Last year we decried the terror of "Super spreader events" like the gathering at Mount Rushmore. Now we have hundreds of thousands of unmasked people side to side at football games with no reported spreading going on.

I do not fear the COVID. I do fear what has happened to this formerly free country. Had any one written about this 2 years ago they would have been laughed out of the room. Now we have overburdened hospitals with short staffs being forced to kick out doctors and nurses who decline to get vaccinated, thus greatly acerbating the health care situation.

In the spring of 2020 Dr. Fauci was promising herd immunity, Now we have herd hysteria and a population increasingly afraid to go on with life. I fear this will not end well.

Great (actually) scientific study published by the NIH (actual scientists) about Mask Mandates for Covid. Most won't get half way through it (it's very long) but the opening section lays out what their findings are very well.

Is a Mask That Covers the Mouth and Nose Free from Undesirable Side Effects in Everyday Use and Free of Potential Hazards?

[Road-Runner]

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[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Too many of the "Just Obey" fear spreaders are nasty. We can pray for them to escape the darkness and divisiveness.

Good job name-calling, got three in one sentence. That will certainly promote civil discussions.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

It's doubtful the mask science changed. If anything, the mask science is more understood now but the general principles remain the same.

What changed, what you (intentionally?) neglected, was the threat. In 2019 the world was getting by just fine by adopting healthy habits and taking necessary vaccines. In 2020 Covid arrived in the US and the threat changed significantly. A different threat requires a different evaluation of mitigations.

Masks in a fully-vaccinated population are likely as unnecessary as they were in 2019. However, due to the continued efforts of some, we do not have a fully-vaccinated population and people are still dying at a rate of almost 2,000 per day.

Thanks for sticking up for his highness. What about this one?

This is hardly the first time Fauci has dismissed the need for masks. During a 60 Minutes interview in March 2020, at the start of the pandemic, he suggested masks provided more psychological relief than anything else.

[Carla B]

Originally Posted by thelegges

You should be thankful they all have sacrificed many things for the last 1.5 years. If you follow any posts, all of my family is in health care in multiple states. So challenger.. you think they should be shot for taking care of someone like you, vaxed or not.. But then they don’t have fear like some. Their job is not to judge others, but to do no harm to anyone who enters. Good lesson to live by.

People stopped banging on pots along time ago.

The issue is your post (number 4) left out the pertinent info (family works in health care). Posters can't be expected to know all about posters. Especially when using more than one screen name.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Road-Runner

Great (actually) scientific study published by the NIH (actual scientists) about Mask Mandates for Covid. Most won't get half way through it (it's very long) but the opening section lays out what their findings are very well.

Is a Mask That Covers the Mouth and Nose Free from Undesirable Side Effects in Everyday Use and Free of Potential Hazards?

I'm still reading but do I have this much correct:

- They set out to show that masks caused adverse effects. They weren't trying to evaluate *if* the masks caused the effects, they specifically wanted to show that they did.

- They stared with 1226 articles on the effects of masks then tossed 1117 of them because they "were irrelevant to the research question" (i.e. didn't show negative effects)

- They then declared success in showing that masks cause negative effects.

Now, my characterization of the remainder of the paper that I'm still reading: They throw this spaghetti at the wall to see if any of it will stick. For example, they go as far as discussing the environmental effects from improper disposal of the masks (pollution) as a negative effect of wearing a mask. And the suggestion that doctors should consider the "1948 Geneva Declaration, as revised in 2017" seems (again, I'm still reading) to come close to jumping the shark.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Then you need to read my posts more carefully

No point in replying, they are not interested in anything that disagrees with them.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I'm still reading but do I have this much correct:

- They set out to show that masks caused adverse effects. They weren't trying to evaluate *if* the masks caused the effects, they specifically wanted to show that they did.

- They stared with 1226 articles on the effects of masks then tossed 1117 of them because they "were irrelevant to the research question" (i.e. didn't show negative effects)

- They then declared success in showing that masks cause negative effects.

Now, my characterization of the remainder of the paper that I'm still reading: They throw this spaghetti at the wall to see if any of it will stick. For example, they go as far as discussing the environmental effects from improper disposal of the masks (pollution) as a negative effect of wearing a mask. And the suggestion that doctors should consider the "1948 Geneva Declaration, as revised in 2017" seems (again, I'm still reading) to come close to jumping the shark.

I started reading it and closed it after coming to basically your conclusions. They are not weighing benefit vs risk, they are simply pointing out anything that might be bad.

But, some will find that comforting in justifying their views.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by jammaiora

Stop whining! Yesterday was too soon, today is correct. Point being, if you are around vaccinated people you are safer to socialize. If you are not with vaccinated people, it's best, for your health and safety, not to socialize with or around them. Common sense!

That statement makes no sense. I’m not vaccinated and have had covid. You are vaccinated and haven’t had covid. Who is safer?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Good job name-calling, got three in one sentence. That will certainly promote civil discussions.

That piddly name calling is a problem? You must be new here...

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

That piddly name calling is a problem? You must be new here...

Not a problem, actually I saluted their adept use of the method.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by Boomer

PS: We are vaccinated and have our social life back in gear — with other vaccinated people. We certainly are not cowering in bunkers — just making choices.

Are you not worried about getting covid since you are all vaccinated? Don’t think one of your friends could still get it and pass to you?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MSchad

Are you not worried about getting covid since you are all vaccinated? Don’t think one of your friends could still get it and pass to you?

Do you live in a black and white world? Is everything 100% or zero? Because that is how your posts sound.