[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

So yeah, you made it up.

And no, the politicians are taking cues from lobbyists and whoever else can keep them in power. And I assure you, that is not scientists.

I prefer to think that MOST US politicians are doing what's best for America regardless of "lobbyists". Call me part of naive voters......please.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

To quote Petula Clark from "don't sleep in the subway":

"We've heard it all a million times before"

yada yada yada

You can repeat that garbage ad nauseum, but it still isn't true.

Well, as they say, "People can agree to disagree". I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. I do find it STRANGE when they think that I am being NOT authentic. I think it might lead to better discussions if the motive for opinions were NOT questioned. None of us is getting paid to express our opinions here.

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I prefer to think that MOST US politicians are doing what's best for America regardless of "lobbyists". Call me part of naive voters......please.

Subtle influence is pretty hard to even identify...much less root out. But I'm glad to hear that at least the idea that "most are doing what's best" is refreshing.

Joe

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Thank you, I'm aware of the math but I was being lazy. Nonetheless, the claim that Antarctica has lost 50% of its ice since 1970 is completely idiotic. Start moving the decimal point about 2 places.

I am just going by that article that I gave the author of. He said 13% per decade, so that would mean that Antarctica has lost about 50% of its ice mass since 1970. We have ALL seen videos of large parts of the ice mass calving off into the water. There is some logic to the large loss of sea ice - around the world sea level has increased rapidly in the last 10 years. The last year recorded was some VERY large amount. If I remember correctly it was 1/2 of an inch rise (don't hold me to that, I don't want to try to look it up again). And Antarctica melting away and losing mass is also consistent with the increased CO2 in the ocean killing coral. And the CO2 in the upper atmosphere reflecting HEAT back to Earth.
......The above scientific knowledge is HELPFUL for US citizens thinking about buying an Electric Vehicle such as a car, truck, golf car, or even bicycle vrs a vehicle with an Internal Combustion Engine. 8 % of US new car sales is Electrical. In Europe it is 21%. And in China it is 29%. So the conclusion is that the US needs to get more modern and become truly the world leader in this NEW technology.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

So yeah, you made it up.

And no, the politicians are taking cues from lobbyists and whoever else can keep them in power. And I assure you, that is not scientists.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I do find it STRANGE when they think that I am being NOT authentic. I think it might lead to better discussions if the motive for opinions were NOT questioned. None of us is getting paid to express our opinions here.

Except you didn't express an opinion, you posted a statement of 'fact' that you made up. If you want people to take you seriously, don't present data that you don't/can't provide a source for.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

I hear you and agree with you. However....the average price for a new car in the US this year is a whopping $48K so all in for $36K is....well....less, right?

Even if your numbers are correct, most Americans can't afford a new car. And if fewer than 50% of Americans can afford an EV, it won't solve the problem. But, if we are all going to die in a few years unless we all drive EVs, the government should buy everyone a new EV. That is far less costly than the destruction of mankind.

If the threat is as serious as some people say, we should be doing everything to stop climate change. If we all knew that, unless we took drastic measures, we were going to die in 2030 because of climate change, I think all of us would be willing to sell our homes and cars and move into a small apartment and just use our golf carts. We would be willing to stop traveling and we would be willing to stop eating meat. When the Davos crowd gives up their private planes and embrace vegetarianism, I will know that it is serious. Until then, it is so much hot air.

Only The Rich (Or Fools) Can Afford To Buy New Cars Today

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I am just going by that article that I gave the author of. He said 13% per decade, so that would mean that Antarctica has lost about 50% of its ice mass since 1970. We have ALL seen videos of large parts of the ice mass calving off into the water. There is some logic to the large loss of sea ice - around the world sea level has increased rapidly in the last 10 years. The last year recorded was some VERY large amount. If I remember correctly it was 1/2 of an inch rise (don't hold me to that, I don't want to try to look it up again). And Antarctica melting away and losing mass is also consistent with the increased CO2 in the ocean killing coral. And the CO2 in the upper atmosphere reflecting HEAT back to Earth.
......The above scientific knowledge is HELPFUL for US citizens thinking about buying an Electric Vehicle such as a car, truck, golf car, or even bicycle vrs a vehicle with an Internal Combustion Engine. 8 % of US new car sales is Electrical. In Europe it is 21%. And in China it is 29%. So the conclusion is that the US needs to get more modern and become truly the world leader in this NEW technology.

Heck, I will go with that logic. ..the population growth and life expectancy in the United States since 1970 has exploded. The above knowledge is HELPFUL for US citizens thinking about buying an Electric Vehicle such as a car, truck, golf car, or even bicycle. All of these items contribute to the desecration of the planet via. pollution, mining, and consumption by the average American consumer. Modern medical just exacerbates this issue by extending the lives of these consumers. So the conclusion is that the US needs to get more modern and become truly the world leader in this and make certain you sign a DNR and do NOT go in for any lifesaving procedures. Do your part, don't virtue signal, DON'T BE THAT GUY that isn't willing to sacrifice for what you believe in.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, different people have different beliefs in the sincerity of the Federal Government's motives, decisions, and actions. I tend to believe that people get the government that they deserve. Right now the US government is using tax benefits to increase the production and sales of Electric Vehicles. It would be nice if we knew of a survey of what Americans thought of that. What % are satisfied at 8% of new car sales - when Europe is almost 3 times greater. Maybe 60 or 70% on such a survey would say that we NEED to CATCH UP to the Europeans.
.......From my perspective, the US government is doing the RIGHT thing as far as EV stimulation. And I would be happy if they tripled their effort. And I would like to see a survey done as to what America wants for this EV situation.

Good thing "the Europeans" aren't rioting in the streets because they're so happy with their government...

Wait, What?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, as they say, "People can agree to disagree". I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. I do find it STRANGE when they think that I am being NOT authentic. I think it might lead to better discussions if the motive for opinions were NOT questioned. None of us is getting paid to express our opinions here.

Oh, I believe you're being "authentic...

And that's what terrifies me...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Even if your numbers are correct, most Americans can't afford a new car. And if fewer than 50% of Americans can afford an EV, it won't solve the problem. But, if we are all going to die in a few years unless we all drive EVs, the government should buy everyone a new EV. That is far less costly than the destruction of mankind.

If the threat is as serious as some people say, we should be doing everything to stop climate change. If we all knew that, unless we took drastic measures, we were going to die in 2030 because of climate change, I think all of us would be willing to sell our homes and cars and move into a small apartment and just use our golf carts. We would be willing to stop traveling and we would be willing to stop eating meat. When the Davos crowd gives up their private planes and embrace vegetarianism, I will know that it is serious. Until then, it is so much hot air.

Only The Rich (Or Fools) Can Afford To Buy New Cars Today

I seem to sense a humorous exaggeration about all of us dying from Global Warming in 2030. The last information that I read on the subject said that for the next 7 or 8 years, we will have increasing worldwide HEAT. To me, that does NOT mean the end of the human species. But, it is a CHANGE that will produce many bad situations. This year July was the HOTTEST on record. Then (if the predictions of SCIENTISTS are correct) July 2024 will be THEN the hottest on record. Meanwhile, in the oceans, reef coral may be in the process of COMPLETELY dying off. People today in many parts of the US are suffering from HEAT related physical stress and mental stress. IN 2030, if things do NOT change all of our problems will be intensified.
........The source of the problem is the internal combustion engine vehicles. So, the answer is to eliminate as many as possible. The US is currently buying EVs at a rate of 8% of car sales. Europe is at 21%. The US needs to get to about 30% EV sales. That may be enough to start producing less CO2 and return the Climate back to normal. We also have to worry about a "tipping point" which some scientists talk about. It is important that the average US person becomes motivated by this problem.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I seem to sense a humorous exaggeration about all of us dying from Global Warming in 2030. The last information that I read on the subject said that for the next 7 or 8 years, we will have increasing worldwide HEAT. To me, that does NOT mean the end of the human species. But, it is a CHANGE that will produce many bad situations. This year July was the HOTTEST on record. Then (if the predictions of SCIENTISTS are correct) July 2024 will be THEN the hottest on record. Meanwhile, in the oceans, reef coral may be in the process of COMPLETELY dying off. People today in many parts of the US are suffering from HEAT related physical stress and mental stress. IN 2030, if things do NOT change all of our problems will be intensified.
........The source of the problem is the internal combustion engine vehicles. So, the answer is to eliminate as many as possible. The US is currently buying EVs at a rate of 8% of car sales. Europe is at 21%. The US needs to get to about 30% EV sales. That may be enough to start producing less CO2 and return the Climate back to normal. We also have to worry about a "tipping point" which some scientists talk about. It is important that the average US person becomes motivated by this problem.

"How many people die from cold and heat each year?

It has been estimated that about 5.1 million excess deaths per year are associated with non-optimal temperatures. Of those, 4.6 million are associated with colder than optimum temperatures, and 0.5 million are associated with hotter than optimum temperatures."

[Bay Kid]

A good thing EVs don't cause any pollution from conception to death. Hahaha.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I am just going by that article that I gave the author of. He said 13% per decade, so that would mean that Antarctica has lost about 50% of its ice mass since 1970. We have ALL seen videos of large parts of the ice mass calving off into the water. There is some logic to the large loss of sea ice - around the world sea level has increased rapidly in the last 10 years. The last year recorded was some VERY large amount. If I remember correctly it was 1/2 of an inch rise (don't hold me to that, I don't want to try to look it up again). And Antarctica melting away and losing mass is also consistent with the increased CO2 in the ocean killing coral. And the CO2 in the upper atmosphere reflecting HEAT back to Earth.
......The above scientific knowledge is HELPFUL for US citizens thinking about buying an Electric Vehicle such as a car, truck, golf car, or even bicycle vrs a vehicle with an Internal Combustion Engine. 8 % of US new car sales is Electrical. In Europe it is 21%. And in China it is 29%. So the conclusion is that the US needs to get more modern and become truly the world leader in this NEW technology.

With a SIMPLE question to Google," Is Antarctica ice decreasing?", I got to NASA (. gov) which has this information. Antarctica is melting at an average rate of about 150 BILLION tons per year. Greenland is even worse - losing about 270 BILLION tons per year, adding to sea level. NASA satellites show that the ice sheets in BOTH Greenland and Antarctica have been losing mass since 2002.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

A good thing EVs don't cause any pollution from conception to death. Hahaha.

And then there is the LOGICAL question.....Why would the manufacture and disposal of IC engine Vehicles be less polluting than that of E Vehicles? IC Vehicles have many, many more and complicated parts than EVs. (Pistons, rings, valves, cams, valve lifters all thrashing about in different directions in IC Engines.)

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I seem to sense a humorous exaggeration about all of us dying from Global Warming in 2030.

As one of the leading voices on climate change said in 2019, “The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change, and your biggest issue is how are we gonna pay for it?”

Personally, I don’t think the world will end in 8 more years but some experts say it will.

But if it does, I guess I shouldn’t worry about any penalties for cashing in my IRAs early!