[aaffmom]

They have a great retirement plan and health insurance too. Also, they build up sick time and vacation.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by aaffmom

They have a great retirement plan and health insurance too. Also, they build up sick time and vacation.

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?

[keithwand]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

This is such a tired old worn out cliche that has been around, for me, since 1961.
Which doesn't even add to a good debate.

What's the cliche? Summers off?
My brother in law has been an 8th grade math teacher for 20 years. How much has math changed?
He makes 80k plus extra $$ coaching golf.
He spends the summers on the beach and golfing. Real tough and he admits it.
Now add a pension at 50 percent and great medical benefits.
No one is forced into teaching so if one feels underpaid then move on.
Don't know of any other jobs with tenure; do you?

[jbdlfan]

Originally Posted by keithwand

What's the cliche? Summers off?
My brother in law has been an 8th grade math teacher for 20 years. How much has math changed?
He makes 80k plus extra $$ coaching golf.
He spends the summers on the beach and golfing. Real tough and he admits it.
Now add a pension at 50 percent and great medical benefits.
No one is forced into teaching so if one feels underpaid then move on.
Don't know of any other jobs with tenure; do you?

Same teacher in Marion County makes $48,000, plus $1500 for golf coach. Pension, maybe 40%. Medical benefits not even average....No one is forced into teaching You got that one right. Oh by the way..... if you think math hasn't changed, you have absolutely no idea about Common Core. But, summers off. Right Doug?

[jbdlfan]

But they do get 22 minutes for lunch( well, actually 16 minutes after dismissal) and bathroom breaks. Oh wait, no such thing as a bathroom break. But summers off!

[DougB]

Originally Posted by jbdlfan

Same teacher in Marion County makes $48,000, plus $1500 for golf coach. Pension, maybe 40%. Medical benefits not even average....No one is forced into teaching You got that one right. Oh by the way..... if you think math hasn't changed, you have absolutely no idea about Common Core. But, summers off. Right Doug?

If a math teacher is teaching the same way he always has for the last 20 years, then he has no business still teaching.

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

This is such a tired old worn out cliche that has been around, for me, since 1961.
Which doesn't even add to a good debate.

They sign a 180 day contract, have summers off, they have unions that enforce contract rules. What is there to dispute? Are you saying they're forced to work throughout the summer? Where? They're not the school.

Originally Posted by jbdlfan

WOW! Quite a bit of bologna being sliced here. Some of these comments are obviously from those that never stepped foot into a classroom. But hey, that's alright. First wrong statement......a teacher with 7 years experience in Marion County makes $36,000 a year, not anywhere near even $50,000, let alone $100,000. Next.....I've NEVER had a summer or Christmas vacation off.....EVER. Um...I had NO idea what I was getting into. Never imagined I would have a 13 year old student tell me the fourth day of school she was pregnant from a 7th grader. Never imagined a student telling me that he couldn't read his book last night because he is living in the bed of his grandparents pickup truck. Never imagined I would have a student with a cigarette burn in the middle of his forehead from a dad that he watched murder his mother in their kitchen right in front of him at the age of 6. Never imagined having a student that had been prostituted with her sister by her mother since the age of 5. Some of you have no idea of what you speak and really show your ignorance when you do. But hey, I'll defend your right to be ignorant to my death.....

I've been in plenty of classrooms...on both sides. I know how little "work" teaching is. You stand there and talk. I taught seminars. f you know our material, it's easy.

Now for the rest of your rant...move to a better neighborhood. Get out of the inner city. Why would someone stay there?

Originally Posted by Bucco

You are right on with this post.

I am amazed and saddened as I watch this country become a nation of "headline readers" and subjects of the political hacks on television.

This tread is so full of inane, tired cliches that are thrown around.....summers off, etc. The comparison (s) used are simply ludicrious.

The minimum wage debate cannot be held in any intelligent manner until you turn off the political hacks on TV an learn...for example...the propose 66% increase will benefit approx 15 % of those who need it. An increase as proposed WILL SPIKE UNEMPLOYMENT...that is factual.

Our wonderful "leaders" love using all the political talk on this issue when they should stop taking the easy way out and go to work on the tax code if they REALLY want to help. An increase across the board as proposed does nothing to address the problem, but it makes for great sound bites, A conversation about the facts involved on both sides of this issue would be great and informative instead of using inane comparisons to teachers and politicians.

Cliches? Or facts? You can't deny they sign 180 day contracts. And with the unions watching...they DON'T work more than that. Teachers literally have a part time job with full time pay. They literally work LESS than half the year! Who works half the month, or a week on, a week off, with full time pay? They get outrageous time off and great benefits. And yet they complain...

Now...the crap that goes on in the classroom? That's a social issue. I'd have the kids removed, or sent to a "suspension" facility. You're there to learn, misbehave and you're out. The kids shouldn't run the schools. When did we lose control of the kids?

Originally Posted by keithwand

What's the cliche? Summers off?
My brother in law has been an 8th grade math teacher for 20 years. How much has math changed?
He makes 80k plus extra $$ coaching golf.
He spends the summers on the beach and golfing. Real tough and he admits it.
Now add a pension at 50 percent and great medical benefits.
No one is forced into teaching so if one feels underpaid then move on.
Don't know of any other jobs with tenure; do you?

Denial. Teaching is lucrative. I would have done it id I'd known what a racket it was earlier. And if I'd had more teachers that seemed worthy of following. We all knew most teachers just show up, talk, give a test, and go home. They weren't anyone to emulate or strive to be like.

The only thing hard about teaching is the behavior of the kids...if they're trouble deal with them. Move to a better neighborhood. Do you think teachers here at the villages schools have it hard?

I'm sorry, I have no pity for teachers. They have a great gig.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by donb9006

They sign a 180 day contract, have summers off, they have unions that enforce contract rules. What is there to dispute? Are you saying they're forced to work throughout the summer? Where? They're not the school.

Cliches? Or facts? You can't deny they sign 180 day contracts. And with the unions watching...they DON'T work more than that.

I can deny they sign a 180 day contract. Why not get your first fact straight, do some research on how long their contract is, then we will discuss the others misrepresentations you spew.

[jbdlfan]

[QUOTE=donb9006;792736]They sign a 180 day contract, have summers off, they have unions that enforce contract rules. What is there to dispute? Are you saying they're forced to work throughout the summer? Where? They're not the school.



I've been in plenty of classrooms...on both sides. I know how little "work" teaching is. You stand there and talk. I taught seminars. f you know our material, it's easy.

You would have a teaching job for a very short time in my district.... Ever heard of differentiated instruction or ESE or Accommodations or IEP or SLD or.... never mind, based on your post, I know the answer already.

[jbdlfan]

Originally Posted by donb9006

They sign a 180 day contract, have summers off, they have unions that enforce contract rules. What is there to dispute? Are you saying they're forced to work throughout the summer? Where? They're not the school.



I've been in plenty of classrooms...on both sides. I know how little "work" teaching is. You stand there and talk. I taught seminars. f you know our material, it's easy.

Now for the rest of your rant...move to a better neighborhood. Get out of the inner city. Why would someone stay there?



Cliches? Or facts? You can't deny they sign 180 day contracts. And with the unions watching...they DON'T work more than that. Teachers literally have a part time job with full time pay. They literally work LESS than half the year! Who works half the month, or a week on, a week off, with full time pay? They get outrageous time off and great benefits. And yet they complain...

Now...the crap that goes on in the classroom? That's a social issue. I'd have the kids removed, or sent to a "suspension" facility. You're there to learn, misbehave and you're out. The kids shouldn't run the schools. When did we lose control of the kids?



Denial. Teaching is lucrative. I would have done it id I'd known what a racket it was earlier. And if I'd had more teachers that seemed worthy of following. We all knew most teachers just show up, talk, give a test, and go home. They weren't anyone to emulate or strive to be like.

The only thing hard about teaching is the behavior of the kids...if they're trouble deal with them. Move to a better neighborhood. Do you think teachers here at the villages schools have it hard?

I'm sorry, I have no pity for teachers. They have a great gig.

Please, Please, Please, if you are available anytime...ANYTIME come spend a day, a half day even and hour with me. I can arrange it. No Problem. Please private message me so you can come back on here and PROVE you are right. Pretty please......
Inner city....how about 2 miles from The Villages. Heck, I'll even pick you up and buy you lunch!

[jimmemac]

Originally Posted by jbdlfan

WOW! Quite a bit of bologna being sliced here. Some of these comments are obviously from those that never stepped foot into a classroom. But hey, that's alright. First wrong statement......a teacher with 7 years experience in Marion County makes $36,000 a year, not anywhere near even $50,000, let alone $100,000. Next.....I've NEVER had a summer or Christmas vacation off.....EVER. Um...I had NO idea what I was getting into. Never imagined I would have a 13 year old student tell me the fourth day of school she was pregnant from a 7th grader. Never imagined a student telling me that he couldn't read his book last night because he is living in the bed of his grandparents pickup truck. Never imagined I would have a student with a cigarette burn in the middle of his forehead from a dad that he watched murder his mother in their kitchen right in front of him at the age of 6. Never imagined having a student that had been prostituted with her sister by her mother since the age of 5. Some of you have no idea of what you speak and really show your ignorance when you do. But hey, I'll defend your right to be ignorant to my death.....

After having taught middle school for 37 years it is too scary to think how similar my stories are to yours-all hard for non teachers to believe but all too familiar to me! I wonder how much the average good teacher pays out of his or her pockets to supply their students with the pens, and pencils and notebooks that they need but cannot afford and the list goes on and on!!

[LndLocked]

This thread has been very useful in helping me fine tune my "ignore list"

To those teachers (or former) on here ... you have my heart felt thank you!