[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Unfortunately, some take the literal translation of this proverb and do not recognize the lesson behind it. Yes kick ISIS butt, walk away, come back a few years later and kick someone else's butt. Sounds like past history. One needs to have a change in culture or these problems will continue to exist.

The alarm is going off. If you can't hear it, you are like most of the U.S.A. Wake up. This is about surviving, not about changing culture.

[kittygilchrist]

Germany breaks military taboo, sends arms to anti-IS fighters in Iraq - Middle East Israel News | Haaretz
Germany is awake.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

The alarm is going off. If you can't hear it, you are like most of the U.S.A.

I am not sure how you can reason through diplomacy or otherwise with a group like ISIS. They believe they speak for Allah and there is often no dialog with this kind of incredibly arrogant worldview. It takes violence unfortunately to get the point really made. There was no reasoning with Hitler and his top henchmen once they had control of much of Germany's industry and wealth.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ghdad-Jihadist

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Germany breaks military taboo, sends arms to anti-IS fighters in Iraq - Middle East Israel News | Haaretz
Germany is awake.

Germany has suffered through the control of other kinds of despots.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Germany breaks military taboo, sends arms to anti-IS fighters in Iraq - Middle East Israel News | Haaretz
Germany is awake.

Good, its about time other countries stepped up to the plate. This country cannot afford another long term war. The last two wars cost us two trillion dollars and still counting and hundreds of thousands of lives.

[BarryRX]

Some posters have said that we're all complaining about ISIS but no one has suggested a plan to deal with them. Here is my plan: This cannot be done from the air alone. We will once again need to have boots on the ground, probably about 20,000 troops. We need planes based in Iraq so we have quicker and longer times on target than we do when flying off carriers. We need Great Britain and others to step up to the plate also unless we want our legacy in the region to be the creation of a terrorist state. We need special ops personnel to begin targeted assassinations of ISIS leaders. Those are the basic steps we need to take as soon as possible.

[kittygilchrist]

Asap

[NotGolfer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

If not stopped they will come here. They are recruiting here.

They scare the hell out of me.

Gracie...I fear they already may be here! Think the "illegals" coming over the border. Think "sleeper cells"...not to be an alarmist but just to be informed. Fearing won't help but being proactive as patriots might. PRAYER is huge here as well!

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by BarryRX

Some posters have said that we're all complaining about ISIS but no one has suggested a plan to deal with them. Here is my plan: This cannot be done from the air alone. We will once again need to have boots on the ground, probably about 20,000 troops. We need planes based in Iraq so we have quicker and longer times on target than we do when flying off carriers. We need Great Britain and others to step up to the plate also unless we want our legacy in the region to be the creation of a terrorist state. We need special ops personnel to begin targeted assassinations of ISIS leaders. Those are the basic steps we need to take as soon as possible.

Correct. However, the resolve and the guts to do it is not showing amongst "leaders" in Washington.

When they're actually "working", it's been to divert t.v.-camera attention to a crowd in St. Louis area, and away from the beheading of a true journalist who knew more and revealed more about Syria's role/plight than anyone in the Administration or Congress ever cared to learn.

The t.v. cameras have been lured and turned toward decrying American "racism" and not so much toward the enemy's "beheadings".

Racism in this society can't be changed in a day or two. But mass murder here CAN increase overnight, as we saw on Sept. 11, 2001.

And if people think our society's racism is the biggest problem at hand, they ought to think about mass-murder bombings, dirty bombs, crucifixions, and beheadings…..HERE.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Patty55

Fortunately, I do recognize the lesson, I just don't agree that it's relevant. I don't want to wander into political opinions, but in my country if you do a good job at butt kicking there is nobody to come back in a few years and just maybe they would have a lot more respect for us.

I'm just hoping that the powers that be actually have a plan.

I may be wrong but I think the point was that the people in these countries are very poor and uneducated. That makes them prime targets and easy prey for ISIS and other groups. If they had hope and education they would not fall for the false promises of these terrorist groups. If they were taught how to fish, meaning getting an education and having a way to earn an income to support their families, this would be effective to stop the spread of ISIS. At least that's how I interrupted it.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

I may be wrong but I think the point was that the people in these countries are very poor and uneducated. That makes them prime targets and easy prey for ISIS and other groups. If they had hope and education they would not fall for the false promises of these terrorist groups. If they were taught how to fish, meaning getting an education and having a way to earn an income to support their families, this would be effective to stop the spread of ISIS. At least that's how I interrupted it.

It is unbelievable how people cannot see..there is blindness everywhere. Evil will prevail if good does not stop it. There is no psychosocial fix for evil. You might as well post how we could have helped Hitler to have been a good person if only...

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

It is unbelievable how people cannot see..there is blindness everywhere. Evil will prevail if good does not stop it. There is no psychosocial fix for evil. You might as well post how we could have helped Hitler to have been a good person if only...

You are correct.

In this country we seem to apply the same logic to our domestic issues as well.

You just cannot lay all blame to "shortages" of whatever. You just have to confront bad or evil or immoral or whatever.....giving more to these things simply creates more of these things.

So often, that attitude is twisted to say you don't care or are unsympathetic....that is so far from the truth.

These people, if rich or poor, if "educated" or not...have in their hearts to kill !

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

It is unbelievable how people cannot see..there is blindness everywhere. Evil will prevail if good does not stop it. There is no psychosocial fix for evil. You might as well post how we could have helped Hitler to have been a good person if only...

I am not blind nor do I not see evil but you are still missing the point that even good men can be lead astray when they have no hope. Starving, uneducated people will join any cause. Yes, the existing evil must be stopped but until others have education and tools for survival they will continue to join groups like ISIS. Yes, we need a short term, immediate solution but without a future plan, history will repeat itself.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

I am not blind nor do I not see evil but you are still missing the point that even good men can be lead astray when they have no hope. Starving, uneducated people will join any cause. Yes, the existing evil must be stopped but until others have education and tools for survival they will continue to join groups like ISIS. Yes, we need a short term, immediate solution but without a future plan, history will repeat itself.

I wish not to confront, but our nation is paralyzed by thinking we can rescue everyone if we give them enough....
Blindness is believing that humanity is all good at heart. There is evil. Give it your dinner. Evil will eat your dinner and have you for dessert.

[janmcn]

As soon as congress comes back to work (they have to come back sometime) they can debate all the options of dealing with ISIS. After the debate, when its time to vote, we can all register our opinions with our congressmen. Let's hear from people with top, top secret clearance.