[manaboutown]

Apparently his cellmate was transferred out just before his death....

Too many factors enabling his death to occur simultaneously came together to be a coincidence IMHO.

Now who had the most to lose if he testified and the most to gain if he died and could not testify?

[KeithDB]

If only we could figure out who is in charge of the Federal prisons . . .

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

I have no theory, conspiracy or otherwise. I do have questions:

1) why was he taken off suicide watch?
2) why was he under-guarded, especially since he had just been taken off suicide watch? You'd think they'd have at least -some- precautions, instead of what they claim to be overworked, understaffed, extra-shift guards. Maybe they should have had normal shift guys watching this particular set of cells.
3) were there tapes of him doing this? There were cameras there, afterall. If there were tapes, what do they show? If the cameras weren't functioning properly, why, especially considering that this guy had just been taken off suicide watch? Again - you'd think -some- precautions would be in order here, even if not extra ones.

Facts - not theory:

1. there are definitely people who stood to gain by Epstein being unable to testify.
2. only the current administration's Dept. of Justice has oversight over Epstein's custody and prosecution, and the jail falls under the jurisdiction of the DoJ.
3. the AG had a personal relationship with Epstein, however close or distant, and when that happens, typically the AG would need to recuse himself from the investigation.
4. the AG has not mentioned whether he would recuse himself or not, so no conclusions can be made about his bias, yet.

Whether the DoJ played an active role in his death or not, we may never know. But there are a lot of questions that need answers, and if those questions are set aside and not allowed to be persued, that will allow the public to jump to a lot more conclusions than if a full and open transparent investigation ever will.

I'd rather see actual truth and facts, than conspiracies.

Sadly, you never will.

[Madelaine Amee]

Ghislaine Maxwell

I believe I heard on the news that Ghislaine Maxwell has been named Epstien's co-conspirator ........ What a surprise she has disappeared and no one knows where she is! She is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, British Publishing mogul who supposedly committed suicide off his yacht in the Atlantic after being found guilty of robbing his own companies and his employees retirement funds.

Birds of a feather etc. etc.

[Taltarzac725]

Still do not get how he hung himself? I had a nervous breakdown in late March-April of 2000 in Palm Harbor, FL at home and was watched constantly unless sedated in the hospital and then in mental health facility they took any kind of thing that could be used to hurt ourselves or others way. Nothing could be used to hang yourself that I recall was available to us.

I have been pretty solid since that happened though. And had no problems before that.

I did lose it for a few hours but did nothing but talk and scream but did hit a nurse when a group was putting me under. I really wanted to be heard.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

Ghislaine Maxwell

I believe I heard on the news that Ghislaine Maxwell has been named Epstien's co-conspirator ........ What a surprise she has disappeared and no one knows where she is! She is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, British Publishing mogul who supposedly committed suicide off his yacht in the Atlantic after being found guilty of robbing his own companies and his employees retirement funds.

Birds of a feather etc. etc.

As I understand it she was a long time major procurer of underage girls for his misadventures.

[Nucky]

It's $$$ All About The Benjamin's $$$. Those poor children. I hope someway they get the help they need to live the best life they can after such a horrendous start.

Each time they find this person guilty of abusing another child they should kill him again, *******. There is so much evil & sickness going on in our world. I worry for all of our Grandchildren.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Nucky

It's $$$ All About The Benjamin's $$$. Those poor children. I hope someway they get the help they need to live the best life they can after such a horrendous start.

Each time they find this person guilty of abusing another child they should kill him again, *******. There is so much evil & sickness going on in our world. I worry for all of our Grandchildren.

Yep, and it was not just the young folks who were forever hurt. He scammed folks who invested with him also.

Those who helped him get away with all he did, hopefully, will be "outed' and pay the price

"At the beginning, middle and end of his career, Jeffrey Epstein faced a reckoning with his misdeeds. At every stage, he managed to avoid the efforts of prosecutors and victims to confront him with his financial chicanery and sexual abuses. On Saturday, he apparently chose to end his life rather than face what he had done."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cce_story.html

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

I have no theory, conspiracy or otherwise. I do have questions:

1) why was he taken off suicide watch?
2) why was he under-guarded, especially since he had just been taken off suicide watch? You'd think they'd have at least -some- precautions, instead of what they claim to be overworked, understaffed, extra-shift guards. Maybe they should have had normal shift guys watching this particular set of cells.
3) were there tapes of him doing this? There were cameras there, afterall. If there were tapes, what do they show? If the cameras weren't functioning properly, why, especially considering that this guy had just been taken off suicide watch? Again - you'd think -some- precautions would be in order here, even if not extra ones.

Facts - not theory:

1. there are definitely people who stood to gain by Epstein being unable to testify.
2. only the current administration's Dept. of Justice has oversight over Epstein's custody and prosecution, and the jail falls under the jurisdiction of the DoJ.
3. the AG had a personal relationship with Epstein, however close or distant, and when that happens, typically the AG would need to recuse himself from the investigation.
4. the AG has not mentioned whether he would recuse himself or not, so no conclusions can be made about his bias, yet.

Whether the DoJ played an active role in his death or not, we may never know. But there are a lot of questions that need answers, and if those questions are set aside and not allowed to be persued, that will allow the public to jump to a lot more conclusions than if a full and open transparent investigation ever will.

I'd rather see actual truth and facts, than conspiracies.

I agree with BobnBev. It's sad, but I don't think we will ever know the full truth.

[manaboutown]

Looks like his two primary corporate lawyers are lawyering up with criminal defense lawyers - and the beat goes on...

[Mike123]

Originally Posted by alwann

So much for suicide watch. Show me the body. Maybe it's a ruse and he escaped, with a little help from his friends. Or maybe he was "offed" by people involved in his crimes. The tabloid will have a field day with this one.

If you believe he committed suicide I will sell you a bridge!

[Chi-Town]

Autopsy shows that he either hung himself or was strangled to death.

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[New Englander]

I don't know what really happened, but this guy was a very high profile inmate and already tried to kill himself. He's taken off suicide watch and his jailers fall asleep.
Smells very fishy to me.

[bagboy]

Originally Posted by collie1228

No matter what you think of this pervert or the case in general, you can't deny that people rightly think the whole situation is fishy. Getting the FBI involved should shine some light on it. At the very least there was tremendous negligence involved by prison guards and officials.

The same FBI that took 5 weeks to "raid" pedophile island?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

For all the goods the FBI is going to uncover, they might as well use Community Watch.

That is hilarious, but you're probably right.
There is lots of money involved.