[Robert11]

Reading all of these posts I have not seen one that puts the blame where in mho it belongs the judicial system. An officer 's job is hard enough without having to arrest the same perpetrators over and over. How many times have you read of crimes being committed by someone with a long record. People want to try rehabilitation which in itself is a good practice but in reality in most cases it doesn't work. When does it become apparent that some people cannot be rehabilitated after one, two, ten, twenty convictions. Why does everyone blame the police? If you want to place the blame try the revolving door court system.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I would be extremely impressed and confident if all those determining how Mr. Floyd was treated would encourage the African American inner cities population to move to The Villages and be welcomed.

Offer financial support to them, hire them and include them in your activities. Do not increase but rather decrease the police population and help them get out of their current status.

Then I would think this wasn’t all just lip service but a true attempt to help these individuals.

If those African-Americans are 55 or older and don't have kids living with them under age 19, I'd be fine with them moving next door. I'd probably be overjoyed if an Indian family moved to the neighborhood on one side of my house, and a Syrian family on the other side. I'd go out of my way to make friends with them. Maybe then I'd get a proper chicken curry once a week, and a decent falafel sandwich another day a week. and I'll make them some shrimp scampi for a third day of the week (or chicken scampi if they'd prefer halal food). Plus I like Bhangra, and could totally grok dancing to some bangin' Bhangra in the evening.

I don't offer financial support to my next door neighbor. But my tax dollars do help support the poor, and I'm fine with that.

They are absolutely welcome to join me on the archery range and for only $15/year they can be club members and use the club equipment instead of buying their own, if that's what they'd prefer.

Lady Lake already has minimal police. In fact, most TOWNS in Florida have minimal police department funding. They rely on county police departments.

[Aloha1]

This whole thread is beyond redemption. It has deteriorated into opposing camps with no wish to seriously discuss the issue which is, whether Floyd's criminal record ( which Chauvin was aware of) had any bearing on his arrest and did Chauvin exact "revenge" on Floyd. we know the answer to both from the trial. To whit, Floyd was stopped for a Federal felony crime, passing counterfeit money as per the court record. Chauvin was found guilty of using excessive force in the detainment of Floyd, leading to his death. Again as per the court record.
Everybody wants to frame this as a "race" issue. That argument is hogwash as there is no such thing as "race". That word is a made up concept out of the 1800's. There is no science that supports the idea of "race". Humans are all one species, Homo Sapiens. The correct term would be discrimination, because some of us have different degrees of melanin which causes differences in skin color, or our ethnic culture is different. Period.

So get off this false "race" thing and instead think about discrimination against your fellow humans because they might look different or grew up in different cultures. ALL of us are from Africa as genetics has proven.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

That is pure speculation on your part that Derek Chauvin "made sure he was dead," He might have made sure he ceased to struggle.

Bad guys on drugs can have amazing strength AND cunning Orange Blossom Baby.

video of a large white man on drugs resisting arrest. - Bing video

I have to respectfully ask, why do you continue to chum with red herring, basically try the "hey, look over there at the shiny object" and try to compare apples with rocks? The person in that video did NOT have his hands cuffed behind his back and was not laying on his stomach, on the ground, at any point. IOW, watching attempts to justify the actions of Chauvin, with silly examples like this (nowhere near the same situation as George Floyd's murder) - is pretty frustrating.

[Velvet]

Videos are simply documenting a situation. The only difficulty is interpreting the video. Like in sports, more than one angle is needed and full sequence to interpret what one sees on the video. Documentation, visual as well as audio is one of the best ways of getting at what happened. For everybody including the police, I’m for it.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If those African-Americans are 55 or older and don't have kids living with them under age 19, I'd be fine with them moving next door. I'd probably be overjoyed if an Indian family moved to the neighborhood on one side of my house, and a Syrian family on the other side. I'd go out of my way to make friends with them. Maybe then I'd get a proper chicken curry once a week, and a decent falafel sandwich another day a week. and I'll make them some shrimp scampi for a third day of the week (or chicken scampi if they'd prefer halal food). Plus I like Bhangra, and could totally grok dancing to some bangin' Bhangra in the evening.

I don't offer financial support to my next door neighbor. But my tax dollars do help support the poor, and I'm fine with that.

They are absolutely welcome to join me on the archery range and for only $15/year they can be club members and use the club equipment instead of buying their own, if that's what they'd prefer.

Lady Lake already has minimal police. In fact, most TOWNS in Florida have minimal police department funding. They rely on county police departments.

Why do African American’s have to be fifty five or older, the quota is never an issue until now. They’re are people living here under the age of fifty five and remember, this would be an effort to get them on their feet. Perhaps you could join them on the archery range in that it’s open to all Villagers.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by blueash

This law will only protect law enforcement. If you are a private citizen who misbehaves in a public park, saying yelling at a Black family for playing music too loud.. Your behavior can be recorded and posted on the internet. Or you are shopping at Walmart in your curlers or revealing clothes, there is a whole genre of online posting of those people. No protecting for your face or body from this legislation.

If you are a firefighter, no protection. If you are a paramedic, no protection. What is there about police that they need special protection against being caused emotional distress when their actions are exposed to the public? Don't want to be embarrassed? Don't do something that will reflect badly on you. Simple. This is a radical knee jerk reaction to an evil cop getting caught by the public. We need more of that, not less.

Yep, just like the law I can’t record conversations without consent for it to be evidence in court of law. Who makes up the laws? LAWYERS.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Video from one angle does not always show what really happened. Videos can also be doctored to promote a certain viewpoint. I see nothing wring with prohibiting people from posting video of police actions online. Video shot of police doing their jobs can and should be given to the D.A.'s office if the person that shot the video believes that there was something wrong with the officer's actions.

Posting a video online only serves to give a lot of people part of the information while holding back what could be a lot of factors. All it does is to get people riled up and create a more divisive society.

Let the various government law enforcement agencies decide what is relevant and what may not be.

The problem now is that police are being tried in the court of public opinion before a court or jury can look at all of the evidence.

We just had an example of this in the case in Columbus, Ohio where the officer shot the teenage girl that was about to stab another teenage girl with a knife.

Instead of headlines that say, "Officer saves girl's life by shooting knife wielding attacker" we have immediate protests, celebrities making threatening quotes and the one that was shot being referred to as the victim as opposed to what she really was, the perpetrator.

Don't stop anyone from shooting video of anything that is out in public for people to see. But stop them from posting police actions online and give the video to the authorities.

People WOULD give "give their videos of Police incidents to authorities" IF they could TRUST them. That would be opaque. Freedom needs the light of transparency, which is guaranteed by having MORE people see a video - not less. Dictatorships repress free speech. Videos on the internet promote free speech.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Robert11

Why does everyone blame the police? If you want to place the blame try the revolving door court system.

I don't know ANYONE that blames THE police. I blame a few bad police. And I think we need a way to control that small number of bad p
olice.

And yes, the judicial system is screwed up.

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I think it is entirely possible that Derek Chauvin was an unprincipled person. I feel almost sure that George Floyd was an unprincipled person. I know, I know, we need to give everyone a new chance. George Floyd was arrested and sentenced to a penitentiary for several years for breaking into a private home and holding a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman, allowing three accomplices in to rob the home. He moved to Minnesota for a "new start". The police were called because he tried to pass a counterfeit twenty dollar bill. The camera's inside the store showed him swaying slightly and appearing to be under the influence of something. He got into a car with several other people who later refused to answer questions and took the fifth amendment as reason. I have to think they were somehow involved with buying or selling drugs, or they could have just been very private and did not want to answer questions. At the time that Derek Chauvin allowed George Floyd to die with neck pressure, that maneuver was allowed as a means of restraint. Clearly the other means of restraint used by FOUR MEN were not working. I don't know what I would have done if it had been MY job to arrest him. I believe in my heart that it would have been a dilemma whether or not he was high on drugs, and even if he was a skinny white Episcopalian. Derek Chauvin was there to arrest him and he continued to struggle hard physically. I think this has been made a racist issue above all other considerations. AND maybe it is. I am skeptical.

I am skeptical about whether this issue of "doxing" could be a red herring. I am thinking a lot of scary thoughts. Maybe because I think that people who are generally responsible and ethical worry about being at the mercy of people who are not generally responsible and ethical.

"George Floyd was arrested and sentenced to a penitentiary for several years for breaking into a private home and holding a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman..." Nothing in the official police arrest record at the time of the robbery mentioned anything about the woman being pregnant. I agree that Chauvin and Floyd were unprincipled, however, police are not supposed to be judge and jury.

Background Check: Investigating George Floyd’s Criminal Record | Snopes.com

As for Floyd's cocaine use, Florida's Republican Congressman in Fort Myers was caught buying and using cocaine BUT he was not sent to jail. He was sent to a rehab center. Today he is a commentator for right wing media.

In 2006, the FBI warned us that White Nationalist had infiltrated our police departments. Nothing was ever done about it.
FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed? | PBS NewsHour

We do need to change, otherwise things will just get worst.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Bucco

The justice system worked, a jury decided on a verdict.

That is a good thing.

Under a tad bit of duress I might add. How would you've liked to been on that jury? Not me for all the world.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

"George Floyd was arrested and sentenced to a penitentiary for several years for breaking into a private home and holding a gun to the belly of a pregnant woman..." Nothing in the official police arrest record at the time of the robbery mentioned anything about the woman being pregnant. I agree that Chauvin and Floyd were unprincipled, however, police are not supposed to be judge and jury.

Background Check: Investigating George Floyd’s Criminal Record | Snopes.com

As for Floyd's cocaine use, Florida's Republican Congressman in Fort Myers was caught buying and using cocaine BUT he was not sent to jail. He was sent to a rehab center. Today he is a commentator for right wing media.

In 2006, the FBI warned us that White Nationalist had infiltrated our police departments. Nothing was ever done about it.
FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed? | PBS NewsHour

We do need to change, otherwise things will just get worst.

Would the solution be only African American officers for African American crimes and calls and Caucasian officers for other crimes?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

I agree with what most people are saying here but if George Floyd was so bad why is he walking the streets, is it because he’s done his time. I saw the video & saw he was cuffed so he couldn’t fight back but to kneel on his neck until he died was murder. Why was the officer kneeling on him for so long, I think this peticular policeman had it in for him, he said he was trained to do this but I guess in his training they forgot to tell him that the suspect has to breath now & then, he knew exactly what was going to happen. Floyd didn’t fight, he couldn’t. But in defense of the police, people are nuts if they defund the police. If I’m a good citizen & I give up my guns who’s going to the wrong side of town to tell the criminal to give their guns, some politician. Then who going to protect you when one of the wrong side of town people starts shooting your family, the police, your 357 mag. hand gun, oh yea we don’t have police protection, & we gave up our guns. These 2 things are dumb Nazi ideas! Use your common sense people. Floyd died unnecessarily & the police officer went to jail because if he didn’t I think the judge & the police man & lawyer would of probably had major destruction done to their family & property. Just my opinion!

Or maybe Chauvin went to jail because 12 jurors found him guilty of MURDER.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Please point out who, on this thread who used the term "big scary black man".

Who said on this thread, "Chauvin killed him, but he had it coming".

Who even defended Derek Chauvin on this thread?

Many times on the way to a police call, if the person who is the subject of the arrest is known by name, they will run the name if they have time to see if he/she has a record. I would guess so that they know just what they might expect to deal with in the way of behavior. Many domestic calls for example are repeat calls and they may know what they might expect and know the danger level to the people involved and to law enforcement.

I would think that they do make summary judgements on the way as to where they are going is a high crime area or a low crime area. I think I would if I were a police officer.

But perhaps, just perhaps that isn't essentially racist? More just general knowledge??

And, I say again, if the procedure is allowed when a person is violently resisting arrest, than it is not a personal attempt to kill someone. He should have known. OH YES. He was a jerk. OH Yes. But did he sit there with thoughts of killing him????

I believe that it was previously stated that the procedure could only be used for a few seconds.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by barrym823

Perhaps you would prefer to have George Floyd (25 arrests) as your neighbor instead of Derek Chauvin. If you say you would, you are either disingenuous or ...beyond hope.

Three other officers were on scene and did not object to how George was handled. This dude was high on illegal drugs and resisting arrest -- as has been the case in nearly every single "high-profile" case of police shooting a black male.

Since the George Floyd death, blacks have murdered over 11,000 other blacks (and over 1,000 whites)..........NAME ONE.

Let's see. One has 25 robberies and one has 1 MURDER and 17 excessive use of force incidents on their record. I will go with the robber as opposed to the murderer.