[Gramps666]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

We are all going to live forever. We are a spirit living on earth getting an experience. GOD did give us an instruction book on how to do this but because of pride people do not read it. Read your Bibles and start with the book of JOHN. Sometimes I wonder if we were all cast to earth to get over ourselves!

I particularly like 1Timothy 2:9-14. Part of that goes, "But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

I could learn to live by that. How about you?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Gramps666

I particularly like 1Timothy 2:9-14. Part of that goes, "But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

I could learn to live by that. How about you?

The Bible is a holy book. Presidents have been sworn in with their hand on the Bible. It is a symbol of importance to many.

If you want to debate any books held sacred by any religion, there are scholars everywhere to defend them and skeptics to dismiss them.

Catholics do not hold with the literal interpretation and there are Christians of all kinds with different ideas of what the Bible means, from literal interpretation to historical information and guidance. I think caring and love is the hallmark of most religions, but are not limited to them.

I think that you are typing to just hurt and to anger..

[red tail]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The Bible is a holy book. Presidents have been sworn in with their hand on the Bible. It is a symbol of importance to many.

If you want to debate any books held sacred by any religion, there are scholars everywhere to defend them and skeptics to dismiss them.

Catholics do not hold with the literal interpretation and there are Christians of all kinds with different ideas of what the Bible means, from literal interpretation to a historical guidance. I think caring and love is the hallmark of a true Christian.

I think that you are typing to just hurt and to anger..

no personal retorts !

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[kittygilchrist]

The topic was...prayer.
I appreciate that some people still pray. I am surely not alone in perceiving the spirit antichrist, of lucifer, revving up in the world, against anything of God, as has been mildly demonstrated here.

Heaven help us....

[jbdlfan]

Once again, anyone can take verses out of the Word and use them out of context. I have seen this several times in this thread alone. Reading the Bible is not the same as understanding the Bible. Secondly, as to why does a Heavenly father allow suffering, not really the place of man to decide or even begin to understand His plan. Sorry, but my Faith allows me to consider but never doubt......and I'm not talking about religion.....

[Chi-Town]

Since the topic is prayer I wonder how many agree with Jim Morrison of The Doors take on it from Soft Parade:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k1g8WCA7mJk

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by jbdlfan

Once again, anyone can take verses out of the Word and use them out of context. I have seen this several times in this thread alone. Reading the Bible is not the same as understanding the Bible. Secondly, as to why does a Heavenly father allow suffering, not really the place of man to decide or even begin to understand His plan. Sorry, but my Faith allows me to consider but never doubt......and I'm not talking about religion.....

Isolating scripture was Lucifers best shot at getting Jesus to obey him instead of God. He quoted verses to try to fool Jesus into sin and thereby destroy Gods plan for mankind to be rescued by the cross.

His second best shot is to accuse believers and condemn them maliciously. Boy howdy.

[graciegirl]

I have always been very frightened by the movie The Exorcist.

There is no logical reason for this fear but the part where Father Karras hears his mother's voice coming from the mouth of Regan and Father Merrin says something to the effect that no matter who it sounds like it is still the evil one.

I guess that we all have fear of evil and love of good and that is placed inside all of us for good purpose.

I get where Kitty is coming from and I thank her for her prayers on our behalf. Kitty is a good person.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Since the topic is prayer I wonder how many agree with Jim Morrison of The Doors take on it from Soft Parade:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k1g8WCA7mJk

Jim Morrison sounds like a nihilistic hedonist to some. http://fourinoneblog.blogspot.com/20...-describe.html

There is a word for this: hedonism. Undeniably, there is a distinct hedonistic aspect to the lyrics and poetry of Jim Morrison. But it is a hedonism in the face of a certainty that time will win; death will win; our time is fleeting, our youth temporary and a moment wasted is a moment lost forever. There is a definite Götterdämmerung vibe to Jim's vision. Don't get lost looking toward some promised paradise yet-to-come; this is your paradise, your Valhalla, and you should not let the fact that you are aware that Valhalla is, yes, destined, doomed, ultimately to fall deter you from finding whatever enjoyment you can while there is still time.

Personally, I believe everyone has a purpose but most of us never really find it or perhaps we just strive to find it and never quite get there at finding it. Prayer can help with that.

[elbear]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I sometimes do not have faith and yet I cannot ever put down those who do. I think that the way I was raised in the community that I lived with Jewish and Christian people was a huge blessing. The people that I knew growing up were given guidelines and a moral compass.

Atheists used to quietly not believe in God and now many of them just appear jealous of those with faith and start issues that hurt everybody. If you don't pray...well, just don't pray. Don't use nasties like "wtf".

I don't like how the world has changed in many ways.

So, Kitty, please keep praying for us and I will pray for Don.

The world has changed and now it seems fashionable to put down those who have faith especially by those who have no idea what genuine faith is. They can point out the few who in their humanity have fallen hard and so see all in the same light. I've worked with those in grief and in their last days seeing again the power and value in even just a little faith and the strength these people get from prayer. "Just in your mind..." Well if that is all you think...if it brings courage and strength to do what was beforehand impossible, what my friend is wrong with that? Many of us are at different stages of faith ...I support you all. Yes, keep praying.

[rubicon]

some comments in this thread awaken me to a point in time when my wife and I went on a Marriage encounter weekend to explore our relationship with each other and with God. a product of that weekend was a long poem I wrote and was published for the Marriage Encounter community. I titled it The Great Fish taken from a writing by Guy de Mussapant (sp) His thesis was that this great fish had spawned the universe in prolific stupidity. In that poem I struggled with the why's and how's and where's of God, God's plan, etc. But most troubling for me was the one issue in which most of mankind would agree and that is the suffering of children. All creatures of this earth have the innate extinct to protect their young because it is in its very essence protecting and preserving the species. This is something that eludes me to no end. And in that any man that harms a child is the very representation of evil at its worse

I filed my poem away from my kids to read in later years. It was a gut wrenching experience for me but I ended the poem with a call for hope springing eternal

[ureout]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

The topic was...prayer.
I appreciate that some people still pray. I am surely not alone in perceiving the spirit antichrist, of lucifer, revving up in the world, against anything of God, as has been mildly demonstrated here.

Heaven help us....

.....this is a forum to speak what you feel and or believe, and saying that someone who does not agree with you and your beliefs, that they are the spirit antichrist, of lucifer, that is not right, and the way I see it not very christian like...we live in the USA not 1940's Germany. We should all be able to debate what we feel.

[Sophie11]

Yes I believe a woman should not teach next to a man because a man can only see the woman not because she is not capable to teach. I believe a woman should also cover her head in church because again - hair is a woman's glory and it will take glory from GOD as a man has been wired to look upon a woman. LOT had sex with his daughters because back then the human body was perfect and there was no genetic defects and to populate the earth that was how it was accomplished.