[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by The Buckeyes

I had a 2008 Chevy HHR...it was made in Mexico, my 2010 Chevy Camaro was made in Canada and, my 2012 Honda was made in Marysville, Ohio by Americans.

Actually, all three of your vehicles were made by
Americans.

[billethkid]

my 2013 Tahoe was made in Arlington, TX, USA

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by billethkid

my 2013 Tahoe was made in Arlington, TX, USA

Do you honestly think that all the employees on the assembly line in Arlington, TX, were legal citizens of the USA?

I would imagine that the counterfeit green card industry is doing quite well around Arlington.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

Actually, all three of your vehicles were made by
Americans.

All North Americans, too!

[mrfixit]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Do you honestly think that all the employees on the assembly line in Arlington, TX, were legal citizens of the USA?

I would imagine that the counterfeit green card industry is doing quite well around Arlington.

Since Arlington TX is 430 miles from the Border,
I am betting that none are commuters.

[The Buckeyes]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

Actually, all three of your vehicles were made by
Americans.

Never thought of it that way. Let me rephrase the Honda was made in Marysville, Ohio which is part of the United States by US Citizens.

[justjim]

Bottom line----we need more American made products---more decent paying jobs.

[billethkid]

the equation is very simple but sometimes forgotten by most and unkown to far too many.

Every not made in the USA product that once upon a time used to be made in the USA = jobs/employment to make those products are gone. As we lose more and more manufacturing there will be more and more unemployment.

Having been educated and earned my living in manufacturing I have personally watched hundreds of thousands of jobs leave the USA....I have been responsible for relocating thousands of jobs from the USA as part of my responsibility in corporate America.

The ONLY reason for manufacturing of any product to be removed from the USA is to reduce the cost of labor in the product. American wages, inefficiencies and lack of investment in improving methods of manufacturing all contributed to the problem.

History has proven that the country with the latest, most modern, most efficient low cost manufacturing will surpass economically those who do not.
One only needs to look at the past greatness of USA manufacturing and compare it to today's emasculated shadow of it's former self.

I remember early in my career when we used to be proud in appliance park Kentucky (GE major appliances) that all our (GE) appliances were made in the USA........now almost none. GE appliance Park employment in the 70's was 25,000.....today less than 5,000. This one example is a mere drop in the bucket example of jobs lost.

Until that trend is stopped and reversed we will continue to slide into also ran status as a nation just as we are at this time in history.

Most countries have many more protectionism laws than we do for good reason. We have almost none.......POLITICS!!!

Made in USA is ALWAYS my first choice....no excuses.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by billethkid

the equation is very simple but sometimes forgotten by most and unkown to far too many.

Every not made in the USA product that once upon a time used to be made in the USA = jobs/employment to make those products are gone. As we lose more and more manufacturing there will be more and more unemployment.

Having been educated and earned my living in manufacturing I have personally watched hundreds of thousands of jobs leave the USA....I have been responsible for relocating thousands of jobs from the USA as part of my responsibility in corporate America.

The ONLY reason for manufacturing of any product to be removed from the USA is to reduce the cost of labor in the product. American wages, inefficiencies and lack of investment in improving methods of manufacturing all contributed to the problem.

History has proven that the country with the latest, most modern, most efficient low cost manufacturing will surpass economically those who do not.
One only needs to look at the past greatness of USA manufacturing and compare it to today's emasculated shadow of it's former self.

I remember early in my career when we used to be proud in appliance park Kentucky (GE major appliances) that all our (GE) appliances were made in the USA........now almost none. GE appliance Park employment in the 70's was 25,000.....today less than 5,000. This one example is a mere drop in the bucket example of jobs lost.

Until that trend is stopped and reversed we will continue to slide into also ran status as a nation just as we are at this time in history.

Most countries have many more protectionism laws than we do for good reason. We have almost none.......POLITICS!!!

Made in USA is ALWAYS my first choice....no excuses.

Given the way you feel about made in America, it must have been very difficult for you to make those job relocations to out of the States. (If I understood you correctly.)

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Given the way you feel about made in America, it must have been very difficult for you to make those job relocations to out of the States. (If I understood you correctly.)

It was extremely difficult. Before we placed any work offshore we always met with the union and employees making them aware of the need to reduce costs. We never expected them to meet the lower labor costs of the off shore work force. However we did offer and expect to get improved costs locally by reducing the pay rate or increasing the output at the same pay. The unions hard in concrete position always was no way.

I did not understand then and I understand even less now why some folks would rather have no loaf of bread VS ANYthing less.

We always left a standing offer that if they could meet the daily output of the offshore counterpart we would bring the work back. We never brought back one hours worth of work!

My made in USA standard is USA owned and operated first. Second choice made in USA and foreighn owned....depending on who the owner.is.

[The Buckeyes]

Isn't it ironic....it is always touted that unions created the middle class (with a lot of justification about 100 years ago) but, nobody touts the fact that it was also unions who destroyed the middle class but, they won't admit that.

[buggyone]

One poster writes, "Bottom line----we need more American made products---more decent paying jobs."

Another poster writes, "We never expected them to meet the lower labor costs of the off shore work force. However we did offer and expect to get improved costs locally by reducing the pay rate or increasing the output at the same pay."

More American made products and decent paying jobs by reducing the pay rates or increasing the output at the same pay? Something just does not compute here.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by buggyone

More American made products and decent paying jobs by reducing the pay rates or increasing the output at the same pay? Something just does not compute here.

Both actions compute/result in a lower per unit cost. Only two of the many options.

If it was a family run small business there would be contest in the decision to be made. Either the family puts in more hours to get more revenue or they take less home in pay to reduce the cost of operating.

I suppose large or small business they could just keep doing the same old thing and just raise prices........until they are no longer competitive.

There has never ever been any mystery in the business equation that determines profit and loss. Unlike the government business cannot print money or borrow above and beyond the means of the entity.

[CFrance]

My husband spent 22 years in labor relations with Westinghouse, starting in 1970. They watched as the volatile unions ran the appliance divisions into the ground and ultimately out of business (among other reasons, but that was a main reason). There was no mindset of compromise there. It was sad to watch.