[PennBF]

They [Cheeech and Chong] were meant as role models and I think the user's should be proud that they picked such outstanding people to carry their banner. It is just being consistent with their beliefs and personal values.

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by Patty55

You all do know that Cheech and Chong were comedians, not intended to be role models, don't you?

And also that the OP's post was just ironic humor. And it wouldn't work without the heading.

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by PennBF

They [Cheeech and Chong] were meant as role models and I think the user's should be proud that they picked such outstanding people to carry their banner. It is just being consistent with their beliefs and personal values.

HUH? I guess the same could be said about Dumb & Dumber. I thought it a comedy, perhaps to some it was a role model.

[buggyone]

This thread of 168 replies of pro and con marijuana use all began with an article of someone tripping and falling and accidentally stabbing himself while carrying a marijuana plant and a knife.

It reminds me of an article I read quite some time ago about a man in some Southern state (naturally) who replaced a fuse in his pickup truck with a .22 bullet. Shortly, the bullet heated up, fired, and shot the man in a very unfortunate place. Well, the shallow end of that particular gene pool came to an end.

[Tennisnut]

You know this is the digital age. For some on this post, there are only ones or zeros or black and white. Unfortunately, some can not see there are shades of gray in most discussions and life is analog.

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by PennBF

They [Cheeech and Chong] were meant as role models and I think the user's should be proud that they picked such outstanding people to carry their banner. It is just being consistent with their beliefs and personal values.

Cheech Marin, 68, and Tommy Chong, 76, are still going strong including Disney productions. Here's a recent photo:

[Patty55]

Oxycodone is more addictive than marijuana, I don't think anyone would deny it's use for pain management because it is abused by addicts.

I think part of the problem here is that some people get confused between reality and "reality tv". They also can't discern the difference between comedy and role models. Brokaw's Greatest Generation was about role models, Cheech & Chong-not so much.

FWIW, I thought the OP was funny, but hey, I read the link.

[redwitch]

When I was going through chemo, medical marihuana did not exist. The pills were not working for me and I could keep nothing down. My oncologist told me to get some grass from one of my Deadhead friends (this was the Bay Area and everyone had at least one buddy who smoked). I did. It probably saved my life.

Yes, I smoked in college recreationally and for awhile after but quit cause I didn't like the new stuff. Once I was done with chemo, I quit again. Haven't had a joint since but wouldn't hesitate should the need ever arise

Substance abuse is an ugly thing. I've seen the damage it does. Once from a friend addicted to alcohol who was in out of rehab so often that I'm surprised they didn't install a revolving door for him. He finally lost everything. The other was a couple hooked on cocaine. They ultimately got divorced and both moved back in with their parents. It would be nice if marihuana use could be blamed for either of these tragedies, but it can't. The alcoholic never smoked a joint in his life. The male cocaine user smoked occasionally. She never did. Putting something up her nose was fine but never something in her lungs.

As I said previously, you have to factor in the individual. Most who smoke grass are no more likely to become addicts than those who have wine with dinner are likely to become alcoholics.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Especially since this approach (restricted access) has worked so well with alcohol and tobacco, we should have no worries that any minors would be able to get pot.

I do think that restricted access has reduced the number of minors able to get access to alcohol and tobacco.
Perhaps that is why so many kids steal drugs from their parents' medicine cabinets. But that is a whole different topic.

I didn't say that "no minors would be able to get pot".
As usual you have exaggerated a poster's comment to emphasize your point of view.
I was speculating that restricted access would hopefully get rid of a lot of the drug pushers hanging around school yards and street corners.

Originally Posted by redwitch

As I said previously, you have to factor in the individual. Most who smoke grass are no more likely to become addicts than those who have wine with dinner are likely to become alcoholics.

I think this is a key point which is often missed.

[tomwed]

What if pot was legalized for everyone over the age of 55? Selling to anyone under the age of 55 would carry the usual consequences of selling to a minor. Most of our years are behind us. How much could go wrong?

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Patty55

Oxycodone is more addictive than marijuana, I don't think anyone would deny it's use for pain management because it is abused by addicts.

I think part of the problem here is that some people get confused between reality and "reality tv". They also can't discern the difference between comedy and role models. Brokaw's Greatest Generation was about role models, Cheech & Chong-not so much.

FWIW, I thought the OP was funny, but hey, I read the link.

Perhaps..............................

First most people understood the irony of the OP post. However this is one of those trigger issues especially since so many people have been harmed directly or indirectly from our friendly and open drug culture society.
Of course Cheech & Chong were comedians but they represented the sterotypical pot heads and by promoting this nasty lifestyle for money only adds to some folks moral revulsion.

Drug dealers are killing innocent people all over the world so Americans can enjoy their daily high. Say what you will but I don't think its in people's best interest to promote marijuana because it all eventually rolls back together with all drugs.

And for clarity in this discussion let's separate legalization of marijuana from legalization for MEDICINAL PURPOSES. Legalization of pot for the sake of letting people smoke pot is a dumb idea because it will only open this nasty habit to more people causing unintentional consequences and never never preventing the criminal element to maintain control... all it will do is allow states to profit and given the mismanagement by politicians in many states as well as the federal government gives them plenty of motiviation for idiot schemes like this...and I'll bet these same politicians get kick backs

As for medicinal use in some respects it is a straw man argument. However again I say if they can utilize oil extract without the high and/or meter the medicinal components so that it is tightly controlled then that is a good start
AND THERE IS THE OPERATIVE WORD "HIGH" BECAUSE IT CONVEYS THE HONESTY OF THIS ISSUE OF MEDICINAL USE SOLELY AS FOR MEDICINCIAL USE

And the most important point here is that there are more Darwins in our society than ever before and so that 50% of society that depends on the other 50% for support well that former 50% is going to get really bigger and while the latter 50% dig deeper into their tax pockets politicians and drug profiteers will continue to join the 1%

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I do think that restricted access has reduced the number of minors able to get access to alcohol and tobacco.
Perhaps that is why so many kids steal drugs from their parents' medicine cabinets. But that is a whole different topic.

I didn't say that "no minors would be able to get pot".
As usual you have exaggerated a poster's comment to emphasize your point of view.
I was speculating that restricted access would hopefully get rid of a lot of the drug pushers hanging around school yards and street corners.



I think this is a key point which is often missed.

Anyone should recognize restricted access is pretty much a total failure, where are the success stories?

As usual you are saying things like "so many" ect. with no facts to back up anything, just an opinion trying to be presented as facts.....


Here are some real facts (links below) actually about Canada's drug and alcohol problems among teens:

Does not make sense to make it even more available and easier to get.

TRUE OR FALSE?
1. Smoking marijuana is healthier than cigarettes.
2. Marijuana is not addictive.
3. People under the influence of marijuana drive slower.

ANSWERS
1. FALSE. Marijuana smoke contains over 400 chemicals; many of these are the same harmful chemicals found in tobacco smoke. Long-time users experience the same risks for emphysema, lung cancer and chronic bronchitis.
2. FALSE. Some users suffer withdrawal effects of marijuana and compulsively seek it out. Some estimates put that number at about 10% - roughly the same as for alcohol.
3. TRUE. Drivers under the influence of marijuana usually drive slower. However, their reaction time is longer, their reflexes slower, they drive more tentatively and they may not be able to handle unexpected situations.


http://www.teenchallenge.ca/get-help...ug-abuse-facts

http://www.teenchallenge.ca/get-help...an-drug-crisis

[PennBF]

It is time to "thin the herd" and it appears nature will make that happen thru natual means. After reading about people who are willing to sacrifice the young in order to get a "high", who really don't care about the harm they are doing to society I feel confident nature will naturally thin the herd. Actually it is going on now and even though it is hard to see those who decide that pot is no longer "doing it" and go to more hard drugs it is someting that will untimately help society by "thining the herd". It is an established fact that between 15 and 20% of pot users move on to harder drugs. Ever seen a user in the final throw of drug abuse. Maybe it would ring a bell. Naw, would probably just go into more denial.
Regarding the comment that I must be fun at a party I have to admit that if it takes acting stupid, being in a haze, laughing when it does not make sense, acting disoriented, being obnoxious then I am absolutely not a lot of fun.
As I said. thanks for helping to thin the herd but not for using the youth to do it.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

[B]

TRUE OR FALSE?
1. Smoking marijuana is healthier than cigarettes.
2. Marijuana is not addictive.
3. People under the influence of marijuana drive slower.

ANSWERS
1. FALSE. Marijuana smoke contains over 400 chemicals; many of these are the same harmful chemicals found in tobacco smoke. Long-time users experience the same risks for emphysema, lung cancer and chronic bronchitis.
2. FALSE. Some users suffer withdrawal effects of marijuana and compulsively seek it out. Some estimates put that number at about 10% - roughly the same as for alcohol.
3. TRUE. Drivers under the influence of marijuana usually drive slower. However, their reaction time is longer, their reflexes slower, they drive more tentatively and they may not be able to handle unexpected situations.

Based on the info you provided in Point 2 above, in about 10% of cases people become addicted to alcohol or pot. I agree that some people have an addictive personality.

This ties into Redwitch's point:
" As I said previously, you have to factor in the individual. Most who smoke grass are no more likely to become addicts than those who have wine with dinner are likely to become alcoholics."

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Based on the info you provided in Point 2 above, in about 10% of cases people become addicted to alcohol or pot. I agree that some people have an addictive personality.

T [/I]

So 1 in every 10 people that smokes pot we know are going to become addicted, are we saying this is an acceptable amount to become addicted?

This 10% would be in addition to those addicted to these other fun drugs and alcohol:

COCAINE
ECSTACY
HALLUCINOGENS
HEROIN
KHAT
MARIJUANA
METH
PRESCRIPTION NARCOTICS
PRESCRIPTION STIMULANTS
MEPHEDRONE
FENTANYL
INHALANTS, SOLVENTS & GLUE
BENZODIAZEPINES AND BARBITUATES
METHADONE
OXYCONTIN