[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

"I keep going back in time on this. This Marine saw good friends and buddies killed by Muslims. He returned home and watched more die.

I mentioned earlier...my uncle who witnessed first hand....brutal slayings by Japanese of his very good friends and frankly had he heard about anything being taught about Japan, he would have been front and center at the school.

Thus I cut this guy a break.

I do not read too much into this...I do not understand the pontificating as if this isolated incident was going to change the world.'

I did a little cutting but did not change the timbre of the post here.

The ex-soldier father did see friends and buddies die at the hands of Muslims. True. However cutting the guy a break, to me, is not in the cards. He did not like his daughter being taught about Islam. So he goes to the school superintendent and threatens to bring down a "xxxxstorm upon the school." Sure sounds as though he has severe emotional issues. To most reasonable people (a standard of law), this sounds like he is going to do some horrendous act of violence at the school.

This very well could have been the next Sandy Hook School incident in which a crazed (bring down a xxxxstorm upon the school sure sounds crazed) person kills schoolkids. IF that would have happened - people would be saying things like the school knew about this man and yet did nothing to protect the kids.

Methinks this is a bit dramatic.

The Marine in question, as the article states, was BANNED from the school and as the story ended they were in "negotiations". I am betting this same type of thing happens many many times over the country but does not get raised to the level of media.

This is probably getting more attention here on TOTV than it gets anywhere in the country. You keep bringing up what he said and I suggest that in anger I am betting you , and most of us, have said worse.

If this bothers you so much...well, I cannot advice you on what to to. For me, I read it...it happened...its over.

If you really really believe that this is the first man banned from his kids school, or that he is the first man to ever make a verbal threat...well, it just isnt so....and he was banned and they are talking to each other.

[rubicon]

This school is doing what many have been doing for sometime and the higher the education the more brainwashing by teachers.

They hide their cultural/diversity agenda in this school by calling it history but it is not history and to focus that much time effort and detail into the study of Islam is exactly what it looks like.

We are paying more per pupil then we ever had and the scholastic standings continue to drop. Students in poorer countries in Europe surpass our students.
Why because it is all about HOW TO FEEL AND NOT ABOUT HOW TO THINK.
Stop and listen to what kids are saying about our great country.

Further and more important teachers are forming students moral opinions and that is something they are not entitled to claim for themselves.

We needto revamp our education system big time

I not only don't blame this marine, I support his non- violent efforts because he is just plain mad as ----and he is going to take it any more.

[Sandtrap328]

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I not only don't blame this marine, I support his non- violent efforts because he is just plain mad as ----and he is going to take it anymore"

His yelling at a meeting with the school superintendent that he is " going to bring down a xxxxstorm like that school has never seen" is NONVIOLENT and you support that???

[Buffalo Jim]

Not that many years ago my daughter was in Middle School . Similar situation under the guise of studying the history of the " World`s Great Religions " the History teacher introduced a similar assignement to the one being discussed in this Thread .
However in their studies prior to an extensive segment on Islam which required a great deal of in class projects and written assignments the subject of Christianity had received a mere " gloss over " . The teacher had referred to Christ as a Historical Figure whose existence is " not well documented " by historical evidence .
Well on her own my daughter stood up one day and challenged the Teacher as to why Christianity received such little attention compared to Islam .
While a long time Honor Student this led to her being sent to the Principal`s Office for being " disruptive " and of course resulted in her parents being called in for a " Conference ".
We did not make a big deal about the matter because we liked the school . We told our daughter that it was Ok to respectfully question her teachers but best done without standing up to give a speech .
Her response was " I`m smart enough to see what they are trying to get us to believe > To which I agreed but shared that as time goes by it will only most likely get worse especially when you get to College .

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim

Not that many years ago my daughter was in Middle School . Similar situation under the guise of studying the history of the " World`s Great Religions " the History teacher introduced a similar assignement to the one being discussed in this Thread .
However in their studies prior to an extensive segment on Islam which required a great deal of in class projects and written assignments the subject of Christianity had received a mere " gloss over " . The teacher had referred to Christ as a Historical Figure whose existence is " not well documented " by historical evidence .
Well on her own my daughter stood up one day and challenged the Teacher as to why Christianity received such little attention compared to Islam .
While a long time Honor Student this led to her being sent to the Principal`s Office for being " disruptive " and of course resulted in her parents being called in for a " Conference ".
We did not make a big deal about the matter because we liked the school . We told our daughter that it was Ok to respectfully question her teachers but best done without standing up to give a speech .
Her response was " I`m smart enough to see what they are trying to get us to believe > To which I agreed but shared that as time goes by it will only most likely get worse especially when you get to College .

What an excellent post and thanks for sharing the story. Kudos to your daughter … may all of our kids be both as gutsy and perceptive as she obviously is.

What I really don’t understand … why in the world do the left wing academics try to push Islam in the manner they do? By any sane measure of comparison, Christianity vs Islam is a no-brainer in terms of which is better for the future of America and our kids/grandkids. The notion of Sharia, for example, is so barbaric and backward you would think any academic type would recoil in horror at the prospect of this religion spreading its influence. Why would feminists not be militanly opposed? I wonder how well gay marriage and the gay culture would do under Sharia come to think of it? Duh.

So, with all the wise and well informed people on this board (plus a few who are ... well, never mind), can someone explain or hypothesize why this ultimately suicidal bravo sierra is foisted upon impressionable young minds in the classroom?

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim

Not that many years ago my daughter was in Middle School . Similar situation under the guise of studying the history of the " World`s Great Religions " the History teacher introduced a similar assignement to the one being discussed in this Thread .
However in their studies prior to an extensive segment on Islam which required a great deal of in class projects and written assignments the subject of Christianity had received a mere " gloss over " . The teacher had referred to Christ as a Historical Figure whose existence is " not well documented " by historical evidence .
Well on her own my daughter stood up one day and challenged the Teacher as to why Christianity received such little attention compared to Islam .
While a long time Honor Student this led to her being sent to the Principal`s Office for being " disruptive " and of course resulted in her parents being called in for a " Conference ".
We did not make a big deal about the matter because we liked the school . We told our daughter that it was Ok to respectfully question her teachers but best done without standing up to give a speech .
Her response was " I`m smart enough to see what they are trying to get us to believe > To which I agreed but shared that as time goes by it will only most likely get worse especially when you get to College .

Kudos to your daughter for question her teacher and to you for reminding her to do it respectfully.

The ex-soldier did not disagree respectfully but basically threatened the school by saying he would bring a "xxxxstorm down on the school like had not been seen before."

Big difference between your way and his method.

'nuff said!

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

What an excellent post and thanks for sharing the story. Kudos to your daughter … may all of our kids be both as gutsy and perceptive as she obviously is.

What I really don’t understand … why in the world do the left wing academics try to push Islam in the manner they do? By any sane measure of comparison, Christianity vs Islam is a no-brainer in terms of which is better for the future of America and our kids/grandkids. The notion of Sharia, for example, is so barbaric and backward you would think any academic type would recoil in horror at the prospect of this religion spreading its influence. Why would feminists not be militanly opposed? I wonder how well gay marriage and the gay culture would do under Sharia come to think of it? Duh.

So, with all the wise and well informed people on this board (plus a few who are ... well, never mind), can someone explain or hypothesize why this ultimately suicidal bravo sierra is foisted upon impressionable young minds in the classroom?

I cannot honestly venture an answer to your question, but will share what I think we are ALLOWING in our schools.

Our basic morals have been broken. I really hate to sound like an old guy who is talking about walking far to school, etc., BUT it used to be that our academics were shared with parents and that parents actually were involved up front and took part.

So much today....there is NO parent involvement, and as I said in an earlier post and got burned for saying it......those teaching are human beings with their own agendas and left unfettered their agenda will surface, AS IT WOULD WITH ANY OF US....the key is parent involvement...being aware of what is going on in the schools...what the academic plan is.

Enough for my lecture....it does not answer WHY, but I am betting that local folks IF THEY ASK, can find out some things.

The lack of parental involvement in our public schools puts our youngest at the whim of a hired teacher. Listen, my wife spent over 30 years in a classroom, thus I support teachers, but we live in a new world and involvement by parents is so crucial to the school, the teachers and the community.

This cannot be legislated.....this is a local issue and the only folks who can do it are the parents.

[BarryRX]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

The children do have to learn history not a religion that is not their own.
My daughter was in college and the professor of one of here classes said he did not want to hear anything about any of their religions. They had to do a final paper on the class and the professor said if anyone could prove to him there is a GOD they would pass his class with 150% - She had wrote 3 pages but what stood out the most was - if we came from monkeys then why are there still monkeys?

So, I'm guessing she didn't pass her science courses either.

[Sandtrap328]

I find it really hard to believe that any reasonable person would object to their child (or themself) learning about Islam in the same vein as they would learn about any of the other religions of the world.

I am not talking about indoctrinating a child with any religion in school - Christianity, Judaism, Taoism, Islam, etc.- but to learn of the history of the religions and how it has affected the history of a region and of the world.

Narrow minded thinking never leads to a good conclusion.

[tomwed]

I reread some of the articles. The mistake was made by the vice principal. The marine asked for an alternate assignment before he got angry. After teaching for 36 years I can tell you that an experienced administrator will have the good sense to see how upset the father is, offer an alternate assignment and diffuse the situation for everyone’s sake.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Rags123

I cannot honestly venture an answer to your question, but will share what I think we are ALLOWING in our schools.

Our basic morals have been broken. I really hate to sound like an old guy who is talking about walking far to school, etc., BUT it used to be that our academics were shared with parents and that parents actually were involved up front and took part.

So much today....there is NO parent involvement, and as I said in an earlier post and got burned for saying it......those teaching are human beings with their own agendas and left unfettered their agenda will surface, AS IT WOULD WITH ANY OF US....the key is parent involvement...being aware of what is going on in the schools...what the academic plan is.

Enough for my lecture....it does not answer WHY, but I am betting that local folks IF THEY ASK, can find out some things.

The lack of parental involvement in our public schools puts our youngest at the whim of a hired teacher. Listen, my wife spent over 30 years in a classroom, thus I support teachers, but we live in a new world and involvement by parents is so crucial to the school, the teachers and the community.

This cannot be legislated.....this is a local issue and the only folks who can do it are the parents.

I do so agree. Parent involvement is key. I don't think there is a good way to teach the religions of the world in public schools...and sadly we need to know about them. You will tread on some toes because it is almost impossible to treat any religion as an overview with so many different versions of Christianity and so many people who are not religious at all who are sometimes grouped as a religion rather than an ethnicity.

So I remember only about the "Moors" and the arches and the Spanish torturing people for ...I don't remember.. My Lutheran church classes before Confirmation gave a really good and not biased view of other faiths, but since I did not know, had never seen in person or on the screen any people who were Muslims, it rolled right over my head.

I really think religion is an impossible subject in public schools.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by tomwed

I reread some of the articles. The mistake was made by the vice principal. The marine asked for an alternate assignment before he got angry. After teaching for 36 years I can tell you that an experienced administrator will have the good sense to see how upset the father is, offer an alternate assignment and diffuse the situation for everyone’s sake.

Damned straight.

[Beechie]

The biggest concern I have about teaching history of the world in our classrooms would be from whose perspective? Our universities and colleges run rampant with far left ideologues such as Bill Ayres, Ward Churchill etc. whose main agenda is to put America in its place. They have such hatred for everything the USA stands for. Yet they, and many, many others, have the ears of our youth. Patriotism makes them cringe.

As far as the marine goes, could he have handled the situation better? Perhaps, perhaps not. The school system is in total control of the curriculum and should have been more sensitive to the concerns of the marine and all others that were offended but kept quiet for fear of reprisal. I find it difficult to think that the school was blindsided by the parent’s reactions.

Are we a little touchy when it comes to Islam and its teachings? Of course, whether it's real or perceived. When it boils down to one's interpretation of the Koran to discern whether they are moderates or extremists should concern us all. I know the extremists represent a very small percentage
of Islam but they represent a wicked world and times we left behind some 1200 years ago. They are on a mission and we are in their way.

[Wandatime]

When I was in the third grade we spent a whole year on early American history. We learned a little bit about Christianity as part of the lesson.

When I was in the 6th grade we spent almost half the year on the Holocaust. We learned a little bit about Judaism as part of the lesson.

When I was in the 9th grade we spent almost half the year on Greek and Roman gods. We learned a little bit about Greek and Roman religions as part of the lesson.

When I was in 11th grade we spent almost half the year in World History on the middle east. We learned a little bit about Islam as part of the lesson.

When I was in college I took a course in philosophy. Many religions and how the various philosophers felt about their religion and how that created their viewpoint was part of the lesson.

I don't know how you separate religion from history.

[Abby10]

Thank you, tomwed, for your further research on this matter to bring more clarity to what actually happened. What I find disturbing is that the school did not feel a need to be sensitive to the concerns of someone who put his life on the line to serve and protect this country, yet surely if this had been any other person representing a special interest group their "tolerance radar" would have reacted with a much higher degree of sensitivity.