[Sophie11]

Originally Posted by blueash

Which shows a complete total ignorance of evolution, genetics, science and everything which a college education should be providing. Unless I completely misunderstand your posting. Perhaps you were pointing out that three pages for a final paper was likely inadequate. And that her teacher really ought to know that that it is impossible to prove the existence of any sects god. Not yours, not Thor, not Apollo, not Jupiter, not the flying spaghetti monster. Somehow I think the professor was trying to get the students not to sprinkle their personal fairy dust on the assignment and stick to the subject of the class that had been taught.

You seem to think you have all the answers but as of yet not one human can get a drop of the sun to analyze it! We have computers and they make man think they are someone more than a cricket! Man can do nothing without GOD! All we do with these computers is go round and round the earth!

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by DruannB

I'm teaching a college course next semester called "Classics of Good and Evil." We are looking at different cultures around the world through literature and examining how we all look at things differently, based on our own cultural beliefs. We will be discussing the Koran (among many other works), and reading pieces that both support and criticize it. How can we really educate students if they are not exposed to all sides of the story?

Excellent point! Globilization is a reality because of peoples' ability to communicate and travel. An understanding of world cultures, including understanding our differences, promotes healthy conversation and reduces the type of fear caused by lack of education.

[billethkid]

as a result we will sit around the campfire with islamic terrorists singing cum bye ah (between beheadings)!

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by quirky3

Excellent point! Globilization is a reality because of peoples' ability to communicate and travel. An understanding of world cultures, including understanding our differences, promotes healthy conversation and reduces the type of fear caused by lack of education.

If only your words "An understanding of world cultures, including understanding our differences, promotes healthy conversation and reduces the type of fear caused by lack of education." could be true.

They are not, as evidenced by history. These "understanding of world cultures" have been allowed to be at the mercy of those presenting what they feel is important. Thus, I did not see the material thus have no opinion on how it was being presented, and I say to anyone who espouses this teaching so we can understand.....be aware of WHO will be teaching the material to allow that understanding.

It is NOT neutral people presenting what you might think.

[redwitch]

If parents would teach their children to think and reason rather than blindly follow, it wouldn't matter if a teacher had an agenda. I was fortunate that I had parents who allowed me to question, who did not try to fit me into their shoes and beliefs. I was also fortunate enough to have seen the world while a child and learn of different cultures and religious beliefs through firsthand experience.

To me, schools today should be teaching both sides of Islam. The beauty and faith of the religion and the hatred espoused by those who bastardize the Koran. This does not mean indoctrinating a child into being a Muslim, it means giving an understanding of that religion. Our planet has become too small for people to not try to understand. I doubt it will happen in my lifetime or even in the lifetime of my daughter, but I'm hoping and praying that one day the people of this world will come to embrace each others' differences. This cannot occur without education.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by redwitch

If parents would teach their children to think and reason rather than blindly follow, it wouldn't matter if a teacher had an agenda. I was fortunate that I had parents who allowed me to question, who did not try to fit me into their shoes and beliefs. I was also fortunate enough to have seen the world while a child and learn of different cultures and religious beliefs through firsthand experience.

To me, schools today should be teaching both sides of Islam. The beauty and faith of the religion and the hatred espoused by those who bastardize the Koran. This does not mean indoctrinating a child into being a Muslim, it means giving an understanding of that religion. Our planet has become too small for people to not try to understand. I doubt it will happen in my lifetime or even in the lifetime of my daughter, but I'm hoping and praying that one day the people of this world will come to embrace each others' differences. This cannot occur without education.

Redwitch I would gently disagree with your approach. Schools should not teach any "side" of any religion. The school should teach the basic features of a faith in a manner a Western learner can understand. Monotheistic, polytheistic, non-theistic. What are the religious practices of the adherents as they impact history? Who are the main historical players. What was the environment culturally and geographically and politically in which the religion grew and what import did it have on the topics being presented. Unless you want to present both sides of Christianity.. the good and brutal, both sides of Hinduism etc. Somehow I was taught about the major faiths of the world without feeling anyone was attempting to proselytize. No school should teach the "beauty" of any religion. That is a judgment subject to the opinion of the presenter. No school should be picking particular words from THE BOOK of any faith to attempt to encapsulate everything about that religion. We all know what particular phrases the Islamophobes would pick from the Koran, the anti-Semites from the Pentateuch, the anti-Christians from the NT.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Rags123

I did not see the material thus have no opinion on how it was being presented, and I say to anyone who espouses this teaching so we can understand.....be aware of WHO will be teaching the material to allow that understanding.

It is NOT neutral people presenting what you might think.

Your posting seems to indicate that you actually believe that the state of Maryland, the school in the community, and that teacher are subtly attempting, or even blatantly attempting, to indoctrinate these high school students into Islam? I appreciate your disclaimer that you "have no opinion on how it was being presented" but then you raise huge capitalized warnings on the danger. You categorically state it is NOT neutral people.

And you know that because why? Your evidence is what? What is the likelihood that a teacher in Maryland is a secret agent of Islam vs the likelihood that they are a member of a fundamentalist Christian sect that believes in a 6000 year old earth and that the end days are foretold in the last chapter in THE BOOK? You see, I am more worried about that Christianistic teacher than about the possibility of some secret Islamic iman attempting to influence the education of American kids.

Perhaps your definition of NOT neutral means not agreeing with your religious beliefs. I see a lot of that thinking in the majority faith of any culture.

[onslowe]

It's true that no one of us is neutral, and certainly not those who strive to be neutral, non-opinionated and fair and dispassionate. Disagree with one of those people and see what happens very quickly.

I read Rags123 'Not neutral' comment above as those who would either derogate widespread particular belief systems in this country, or at least add to the mind set that one religion is as good as another and not read it in the way described in the above
post.

I believe that Rags123 and me and many many other people are the end users and consumers of present and recent educational system, and can see the muddled, confused products in the moral, spiritual and (gulp) religious lives of our students.

And it's all too easy to play down the importance of who selects and buys the text books for our kids' school districts - especially in social studies. Neutral? No. As neutral as coining a word like "Christianistic." Says an awful lot about one's purported neutrality.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

I don't have PTSD and my reaction would be the same. From other textbooks I have seen, these schools are not teaching basic facts about Islam, they are promoting it. They also do not discuss the current global violence caused by extremists.

From the transcripts, the school was not truly threatened nor was the administrator.

So if an angry Marine threats to "bring down a **** storm like they've never seen" on the school, that is not a threat? You don't think they should tell such a person to stay away from the school? You think the obligation of the administrators is something other than to try to protect the school in this situation? They didn't tell him not to complain. They didn't tell him in the words of the administrator in New Jersey to "sit down and shut up". He still has the loudest megaphone in the nation at his disposal. Schools have sadly seen some major **** storms in the last few years. Threatening another one sounds like a big red flag to anyone paying attention.

Hmm, every time I type ****, the forum changes it to ****

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by blueash

Your posting seems to indicate that you actually believe that the state of Maryland, the school in the community, and that teacher are subtly attempting, or even blatantly attempting, to indoctrinate these high school students into Islam? I appreciate your disclaimer that you "have no opinion on how it was being presented" but then you raise huge capitalized warnings on the danger. You categorically state it is NOT neutral people.

And you know that because why? Your evidence is what? What is the likelihood that a teacher in Maryland is a secret agent of Islam vs the likelihood that they are a member of a fundamentalist Christian sect that believes in a 6000 year old earth and that the end days are foretold in the last chapter in THE BOOK? You see, I am more worried about that Christianistic teacher than about the possibility of some secret Islamic iman attempting to influence the education of American kids.

Perhaps your definition of NOT neutral means not agreeing with your religious beliefs. I see a lot of that thinking in the majority faith of any culture.

First of all , I was NOT replying to anything you said at any time.

Secondly, you took the great liberty of completing cutting my post in half to misrepresent it. I suppose you had some reason for misquoting and taking out of context, although I am not used to that type of person at all.

I was replying to a post from QUIRKY3 and my complete post was, including those that you cut out to serve some purpose....was...

"If only your words "An understanding of world cultures, including understanding our differences, promotes healthy conversation and reduces the type of fear caused by lack of education." could be true.

They are not, as evidenced by history. These "understanding of world cultures" have been allowed to be at the mercy of those presenting what they feel is important. Thus, I did not see the material thus have no opinion on how it was being presented, and I say to anyone who espouses this teaching so we can understand.....be aware of WHO will be teaching the material to allow that understanding.

It is NOT neutral people presenting what you might think. "

Despite what you claim...

.....I did not seem to indicate " ..actually believe that the state of Maryland, the school in the community, and that teacher are subtly attempting, or even blatantly attempting, to indoctrinate these high school students into Islam?" despite your attempt to put those words in my mouth. Again you say that I said "categorically state it is NOT neutral people." when again, I was not speaking of the State of Maryland in anyway, but you hijacked this for your own thoughts.

I would appreciate it if you you quote me in the future, you do not distort what I say nor take it out of context.

Your lecture not withstanding, I was not talking to you but replying to an individual post, and I do not think I could have made it clearer that I was not speakin of Maryland or anything but a point raised by another poster.

PS....and while from reading your posts it would serve no purpose, let me remind you that QUIRKY3 was responding to a post on COLLEGE teaching and thus so was I.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by blueash

... You see, I am more worried about that Christianistic teacher than about the possibility of some secret Islamic iman attempting to influence the education of American kids.

You usually post well researched opinions and I was getting ready to reply to your first informative post in this thread when I saw your reply to Rags � over to plan B.

�Christianic�? Now, that�s a tad provocative but that�s the idea I imagine. However, if you are truly more worried about Christianity�s influence viz a vis Islam that I have to conclude you just don�t see what�s out there �i.e., in terms of the planet we currently all live on. I would argue that Islam is *obviously* a more aggressive religion / world view in contemporary times than anything Christianity or Judaism presents today. Do you agree with that? ( I also get tired of people always bashing Israel but that�s another thread, and not to say that you believe that btw)

I think the most powerful force in human history has proven to be religious faith (be it for good or bad, the point is it�s powerful). Islam has never lost its (misguided) faith, hence they still strongly wish to propagate their faith in various way, including demographics. People are thus skeptical that what was presented in the Maryland classroom was truly �neutral� -- not that it was presented to help students learn. You do great research � if you can provide more sources that show Christianity and Judaism are truly presented in an equivalent manner in Maryland that would be helpful in terms of what this thread relates to.

The USMC Dad was wrong to approach it the way he did no doubt. But, I can understand how he may have felt at the emotional level especially since he was in a combat zone while most of us, for example, get to live comfortably here in the TV bubble and don�t have to deal with those realities for now. However, his concern is that his kid was being propagandized vs educated. I realize the standard response is to tag people who opine in this manner as anti-education yahoos etc, but it�s pretty clear that Islam is now a PC protected topic.

In a related manner to this thread, here�s a video that provides a glimpse into the multicultural paradise that now exists in parts of the UK. Tell us what you honestly think about it. I don�t think anyone on this board wants to see this type of future one day for our kids and grandkids, including you.

Dire Warning: Islam Is Changing England Forever (Terrifying Video!) - The Political Insider

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Once again, the vulpine does not report accurately or completely but what they think will go over best with the extreme (uninformed) viewers.

The former Marine sounds as though he has PTSD and should not be let near the school. Personally, I think the Chuck County police should make sure he has no guns as he sounds like one who might shoot up the school.

Didn't any posters here ever study about the religions of an area when studying history? I know I did and my daughter also did.

You know, I debated using the Fox news source because I was concerned about the catnip type effect it may have on certain posters. The reference to �extreme� is amusing because that�s the SOP categorization for anyone who does not express allegiance to �mainstream, moderate and enlightened� opinion. Hence ridicule and attack � Saul is down there somewhere �. smiling.

Be that as it may, I had to laugh at the use of the term �vulpine.� Very creative � I liked it. 

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA;961303

In a related manner to this thread, here’s a video that provides a glimpse into the multicultural paradise that now exists in parts of the UK. Tell us what you honestly think about it. I don’t think anyone on this board wants to see this type of future one day for our kids and grandkids, including you.

[url=http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/dire-warning-islam-changing-england-forever-terrifying-video/

Dire Warning: Islam Is Changing England Forever (Terrifying Video!) - The Political Insider[/url]

I just looked at that video. To me, it looked like the driver of the car was the one with the problem. He clearly was known to the Muslim community as a troublemaker. It looked as though he assaulted the Muslim by punching him.

There are places in the US right now that are Muslim communities just as there are Chinese, Latino, or Korean communities. What is the problem with that?

Regarding the "no trespass order" for the father at LaPlata High, if your child went there and a former Marine threatened to bring a "xxxxstorm like has never been seen" to that school, would you be okay with that?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

My children were not taught this�.WHY now?

Its a new world.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

My children were not taught this�.WHY now?

Sophie: you are spot on. The fact is our educational institutions have been taken over by radical educators who show a disdain for America and have crowded kids thoughts with this colonalism, diversity crap etc while stifling free speech if anyone dare oppose, and worse yet fail to teach them what they need to survive in the world as our embarrassing scholastic standings in the civilized world show. In the opinion section of the Daily Sun there is a clearer explanation from a reader about radical educators.

They make the marine look insane but he was probably ticked that he and his friends risk their lives only to come home to this nonsense. Educators have kids believing that Americans are oppressors. We saw some of this with the native american issue. It is true Europeans push westward from the colonies but it is also true that native americans pushed native americans out as they migrated down north out of Canada, etc . Its called survival its history.

I am going to explain further in another post so as not to fatigue a reader