[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

Hi in Washington and Oregon, the Medical weed got started as a door opener. So it grew and grew into the monster it is today, outrageous.

Originally Posted by RickeyD

The doom and gloom experts have been proven wrong regarding the passage of legalization for recreational marijuana in Washington and Colorado 2 years ago.

Originally Posted by daveczo

I think you legalize it completely and tax it. Yes, any 15 and many 65 year olds can tell you where you can score pot. So legalize and tax.

It makes perfect sense to prohibit underage teenagers from buying pot, controlling where people buy it and taxing it.
Let's be real, people are buying pot now. Why should drug lords make all the money?

[graciegirl]

The last time this issue was discussed on this forum, someone put up a poll and more than half wanted it legalized. A great many people use marijuana on this forum. That was a surprise to me. I leave stuff like that alone, addictive personalities cloud my gene pool.

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The last time this issue was discussed on this forum, someone put up a poll and more than half wanted it legalized. A great many people use marijuana on this forum. That was a surprise to me. I leave stuff like that alone, addictive personalities cloud my gene pool.

It's those young wippersnaper villagers that are on totv, most do not want legal weed.

[rubicon]

what has been the result as respects kids with alcohol which is both regulated and taxed?

what has been the result, as respect kids with cigarettes that have been regulated and taxed?

It will take some time once marijuana is legalized before the ill effects to the community are actually known. In quiet Des Moines in the 1980's no one knew they had a drug epidemic until kids started showing up in the emergency rooms and then it was too late.

The human experience has shown people rationalize and if marijuana is legal than it must be OK and since the only reason smoking it is to get high than getting high is OK and there are other ways to get high

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The last time this issue was discussed on this forum, someone put up a poll and more than half wanted it legalized. A great many people use marijuana on this forum.

Gracie, with due respect, a vote to legalize pot doesn't mean the voter uses pot.
I don't use it, but I feel pot needs to be legalized.
I feel it needs to be sold in a controlled environment and taxed, not sold on street corners by drug gangs to children.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The last time this issue was discussed on this forum, someone put up a poll and more than half wanted it legalized. A great many people use marijuana on this forum. That was a surprise to me. I leave stuff like that alone, addictive personalities cloud my gene pool.

Do you believe alcohol should be legal?

If you do (and I'm betting that you do), then by your reasoning...you must drink.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Gracie, with due respect, a vote to legalize pot doesn't mean the voter uses pot.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I don't use it, but I feel pot needs to be legalized.

I feel it needs to be sold in a controlled environment and taxed, not sold on street corners by drug gangs to children.

[buckscounty]

No way will I vote for that.

[graciegirl]

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[graciegirl]

MEDICAL Marijuana

Now here is the other poll on this forum about recreational pot.

Recreational marijuana

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

... if you imbibe or toke, please don't drive and run into anyone I love.

I share your hope that people who drink or toke do so responsibly, and aren't getting behind the wheel!

[rubicon]

This debate is not about the legalization of medical marijuana. If that were the truth of it then there would be no debate. Clearly the intent, the hidden agenda of the Amendment is in question. Big Pharma works on new discoveries 24/7 some of their products are miracles others have caused irreparable damage . Unfortunately even after FDA approval the consequences are often not found until years later on such legally prescribed drugs.

So one wonders if the hype pertaining to medical marijuana is just that and being applied by those eager to cash in on a new crop called legal recreational marijuana?

One wonders if Big Pharma has an equivalent drug equal to the alleged benefits of medical marijuana?

I wonder what is the real difference between an illegal drug dealer and a legal drug dealer?

One wonders exactly who would become the legalized king of recreational marijuana? Perhaps the senator of your state? perhaps Big Pharma? Perhaps Mexican Cartels ?

One wonders how many politicians salivate on the thought of the taxes recreational marijuana will bring?

One wonder if these same politicians give thought or care as to the adverse effects it has on people and their families?

I wonder how many responsible parents tell their kids that its OK to smoke dope?

I wonder about a society that obsesses about the legalization of marijuana but ignores the evidence of what a hedonistic society we are becoming?

I wonder about political/community leaders and/or celebrities who promote such destructive practices?

I wonder how many people complain about tobacco users but believe marijuana is just fine?

Call me a doom and gloom kind of guy but history is replete with examples of the human experience method of rationalization that goes from the sublime to the ridiculous. Socialize it normalize it and soon no one notices...

[bbbbbb]

Hi, we all have nice packaged theories about the WEED!

I have seen it, no I do not and have not used it.

On the West Coast, they have it, real legal and real accessible in Oregon and Washington.

We used to advise and Tutor School age children on the benefits of going to college, how to prepare to get an advance education, how to find financial aid to go to College. Believe me, there is an abundance of money available to get aid and go to college, the child needs to want it,,,,,,,,,,,,, the parent needs to want it.
In the small town where we lived, we personally found children who were good students, then they started on the WEED. Then we see them behind the furniture store, behind the market, smoking and sharing the smoke with very young about 10 year old boys and girls. WE have seen this folks, we have seen them drop out of the College Prep Program after they start smoking. How about this? What if it was your child?
Young Tommy was an A student, was going to be a Scientist, was a real achiever in sports, in academics, did a lot of volunteer work in the community garden. Well, Tommy started smoking, on our last visit, he had smoke on is breath and I asked him about it,,,,, Well he said all of us get together and share a joint while on lunch break, soon after he dropped out of school, was arrested for shoplifting, was in jail, was transferred to some boys program by the State. Hey, do all the theorizing you want, Marijuana may be OK for the people in pain, but it goes a long way to ruining a lot of young people. We saw it. We do know first hand.

bbbbbb

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by rubicon

This debate is not about the legalization of medical marijuana. If that were the truth of it then there would be no debate. Clearly the intent, the hidden agenda of the Amendment is in question. Big Pharma works on new discoveries 24/7 some of their products are miracles others have caused irreparable damage . Unfortunately even after FDA approval the consequences are often not found until years later on such legally prescribed drugs.

So one wonders if the hype pertaining to medical marijuana is just that and being applied by those eager to cash in on a new crop called legal recreational marijuana?

One wonders if Big Pharma has an equivalent drug equal to the alleged benefits of medical marijuana?

I wonder what is the real difference between an illegal drug dealer and a legal drug dealer?

One wonders exactly who would become the legalized king of recreational marijuana? Perhaps the senator of your state? perhaps Big Pharma? Perhaps Mexican Cartels ?

One wonders how many politicians salivate on the thought of the taxes recreational marijuana will bring?

One wonder if these same politicians give thought or care as to the adverse effects it has on people and their families?

I wonder how many responsible parents tell their kids that its OK to smoke dope?

I wonder about a society that obsesses about the legalization of marijuana but ignores the evidence of what a hedonistic society we are becoming?

I wonder about political/community leaders and/or celebrities who promote such destructive practices?

I wonder how many people complain about tobacco users but believe marijuana is just fine?

Call me a doom and gloom kind of guy but history is replete with examples of the human experience method of rationalization that goes from the sublime to the ridiculous. Socialize it normalize it and soon no one notices...

I wonder why so many that have no problem with alcohol being legal...are so emotionally against marijuana?

It's too bad that a number of posts are now gone, because there was actually some great insight from some of them...on that same exact question.

For me personally, I couldn't care less if alcohol prohibition were reinstated or pot was kept illegal since I do neither, but I DO think it is a huge hypocrisy to have one legal...and the other not.

In fact, Big Pharma is one of the most outspoken against legalization because it is a product that can be grown by anyone and they can't control it. The same goes for the alcohol industry.


Who's Really Fighting Legal Marijuana? Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and Big Booze | Op Ed | US News

On TV and billboards, the fight against legalizing marijuana is about health, safe communities and our children’s future. But for Big Pharma and Big Tobacco – who fund these anti-marijuana efforts – it’s really about the bottom line. For years, large corporations and well-heeled lobbyists have blocked the legalization of marijuana for medical use or recreational use in order to protect their own profits....

The crusaders against weed constitute a long list of suspiciously self-interested folks. Lobbyists work hard to secure for police departments millions of dollars in federal grants towards eradicating weed. Pharmaceutical companies compensate leading anti-marijuana researchers in order to keep their customers on painkillers over cannabis, which is cheaper. The prison-industrial complex would like to keep making money on building more prisons to fill with non-violent grass-smokers.

Just follow the money and you'll see the real reasons so much money is spent trying to scare the electorate...about marijuana legalization.

Since alcohol is a huge part of The Villages, "the slide into a hedonistic society"can be seen right here...and started long ago.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

Hi, we all have nice packaged theories about the WEED!

I have seen it, no I do not and have not used it.

On the West Coast, they have it, real legal and real accessible in Oregon and Washington.

We used to advise and Tutor School age children on the benefits of going to college, how to prepare to get an advance education, how to find financial aid to go to College. Believe me, there is an abundance of money available to get aid and go to college, the child needs to want it,,,,,,,,,,,,, the parent needs to want it.
In the small town where we lived, we personally found children who were good students, then they started on the WEED. Then we see them behind the furniture store, behind the market, smoking and sharing the smoke with very young about 10 year old boys and girls. WE have seen this folks, we have seen them drop out of the College Prep Program after they start smoking. How about this? What if it was your child?
Young Tommy was an A student, was going to be a Scientist, was a real achiever in sports, in academics, did a lot of volunteer work in the community garden. Well, Tommy started smoking, on our last visit, he had smoke on is breath and I asked him about it,,,,, Well he said all of us get together and share a joint while on lunch break, soon after he dropped out of school, was arrested for shoplifting, was in jail, was transferred to some boys program by the State. Hey, do all the theorizing you want, Marijuana may be OK for the people in pain, but it goes a long way to ruining a lot of young people. We saw it. We do know first hand.

bbbbbb

I think we can all come up with anecdotal stories about kids using/abusing alcohol...and the same thing happening to them.

One of the benefits that I see of legalization, is that it can now be more tightly controlled and more effort spent ensuring that kids don't start using it.

Raising taxes on cigarettes has shown to be an effective way to stop kids from smoking...because they now can't afford it.

Quite frankly, I personally believe that we should be doing the same on beer & alcohol (I'm sure there will be some wailing over that ).


https://www.acscan.org/content/wp-co...ct%20Sheet.pdf

Regular, significant increases in the retail price
of cigarettes reduce the number of people who begin
smoking
and increase the number of smokers who quit.

• For every 10 percent increase in the price of cigarettes, there is a 4 percent reduction in overall cigarette consumption 13 and a 6.5 percent reduction in youth consumption.

• Low-income adults, youth, and pregnant women are especially likely to quit or reduce their smoking
when the price increases.

• Lower smoking rates translate into fewer smoking-related cancers and premature deaths, reduced
spending on smoking-related health problems, and mo
re productive workers.

So control it, tax the you-know-what out of it...and take it out of the alley's.