[Chi-Town]

I gather there are many instances where medical marijuana alleviates symptoms and provides relief to those suffering. So why not help those people ? It is regulated like a prescription drug.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Do you believe alcohol should be legal?

If you do (and I'm betting that you do), then by your reasoning...you must drink.

I wish that people could enjoy life and meet life without drugs of any kind. If I could make a "genie" wish, one wish, is that illegal drugs could not, would not be available to anyone and that prescription medication would not be abused. I think that altering anyone's state of mind chemically diminishes their control over their anger and their sexual feelings and their good judgment.

Yet many, many, many of my friends drink and they never go outside any lines of good conduct. If you are looking to see if I am a person who belongs to a very conservative church, I am not. When our daughter had cancer, I began overdrinking. I stopped. She is here, Thank God, and I am here, Thank God. We are all formed by our own life experiences.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

I gather there are many instances where medical marijuana alleviates symptoms and provides relief to those suffering. So why not help those people ? It is regulated like a prescription drug.

Not "many" and the adds used of children suffering seizures, are meant to engender sympathy, where in truth those children could not be helped in any way by marijuana.

Again, another campaign where we are polarized. If allowing the government to take over solar energy, although we are in fact suffering from greenhouse gases, was an answer I would support it. The truth is that people will continue to use machines all over the world, and machines allow them to make money which puts a roof over their head and food on their table. Altruistic people are beautiful and loveable and good and sometimes poorly directed.

[justjim]

Vote Yes. It's the right thing to do in my opinion. There is a sundown clause in what the Florida legislature passed---I believe.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by justjim

Vote Yes. It's the right thing to do in my opinion. There is a sundown clause in what the Florida legislature passed---I believe.

I think, if Pot was legalized, it would free up our Law Enforcement Officers to go after real criminals. Again, we are having to choose between two not great solutions in our life.

Before the mods get me. I will vote in the Presidential Election, but I don't think either one is worth a damn.

[Greg Nelson]

Taxes on booze never go up. The tax on 'legal' pot in Washington is 48%!

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I wonder why so many that have no problem with alcohol being legal...are so emotionally against marijuana?

It's too bad that a number of posts are now gone, because there was actually some great insight from some of them...on that same exact question.

For me personally, I couldn't care less if alcohol prohibition were reinstated or pot was kept illegal since I do neither, but I DO think it is a huge hypocrisy to have one legal...and the other not.

In fact, Big Pharma is one of the most outspoken against legalization because it is a product that can be grown by anyone and they can't control it. The same goes for the alcohol industry.


Who's Really Fighting Legal Marijuana? Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and Big Booze | Op Ed | US News




Just follow the money and you'll see the real reasons so much money is spent trying to scare the electorate...about marijuana legalization.

Since alcohol is a huge part of The Villages, "the slide into a hedonistic society"can be seen right here...and started long ago.

This moral equivalent comparison between alcohol and drugs is not quite equivalent. Many people who use alcohol do not use it to get drunk.. The only use for recreational marijuana is too get high
alcohol is used for cooking in conjunction with cooking or in celebration. Many of us enjoy a glass a wine with our meal.
Clearly people like you and me would send liquor stores broke.

But as a board member I've witnessed the consequences of young people who did drugs, some solely marijuana and it was a heart breaker.

Again my view is not medical marijuana if that were the true nature of the amendment but the door it opens for further abuse .

Organizations , professional politicians, etc have gotten very good at "head fakes". While it may not be true, is it possible Big Pharma claims its against legalization of marijuana but what they really mean is that they need more time to position so that when it becomes national they will be in a position of the most prolific opportunists?

and just in general what social redeeming value to society does recreational marijuana offer vis a vis the damage it creates in people's lives.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by rubicon

This moral equivalent comparison between alcohol and drugs is not quite equivalent. Many people who use alcohol do not use it to get drunk.. The only use for recreational marijuana is too get high
alcohol is used for cooking in conjunction with cooking or in celebration. Many of us enjoy a glass a wine with our meal.
Clearly people like you and me would send liquor stores broke.

But as a board member I've witnessed the consequences of young people who did drugs, some solely marijuana and it was a heart breaker.

Again my view is not medical marijuana if that were the true nature of the amendment but the door it opens for further abuse .

Organizations , professional politicians, etc have gotten very good at "head fakes". While it may not be true, is it possible Big Pharma claims its against legalization of marijuana but what they really mean is that they need more time to position so that when it becomes national they will be in a position of the most prolific opportunists?

and just in general what social redeeming value to society does recreational marijuana offer vis a vis the damage it creates in people's lives.

...and once again, the ballot question is Medical Marijuana - not recreational marijuana. It is not a doorway to recreational marijuana but ONLY for medically necessary use.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

...and once again, the ballot question is Medical Marijuana - not recreational marijuana. It is not a doorway to recreational marijuana but ONLY for medically necessary use.

Sandtrap I want that to be true but voters have been burned too often by "we have to pass it to see what's in it" bills. As a huge proponent of ACA you may recall all the hype surrounding that miracle cure.

Medical use is the first step because a billl directly submitted for recreational use in Florida would fail. So supporters Like Morgan, who supports recreational use, understand legal precedents. Again we find like ACA , medical marijuana is being hyped as [t]he miracle cure and packaging such as that causes one to furrow their brow .

I opine others can decide

[Greg Nelson]

IMHO I've not seen people die from pot. But over the years I've witnessed many die from booze, my parents included. The war on pot has been going on for over 50 years...

[Allegiance]

I don't know the wording of Florida's Marijuana Bill, but I wonder if doctors can prescribe it for anything?

It certainly should be prescribed for PD (Parkinson’s disease), which needs more and better drugs.

Even our wonderful, honorable and courageous former 1st Lady and former US senator is seeking out new treatments for her confirmed advanced PD.

Hillary Clinton & Parkinson's - A Detailed Analysis By Dr Ted Noel - YouTube

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by rubicon

This moral equivalent comparison between alcohol and drugs is not quite equivalent. Many people who use alcohol do not use it to get drunk.. The only use for recreational marijuana is too get high.

I'm sorry, but that's simply not true.

While you are trying to define a 'level of highness,' from the first drink of alcohol you ARE getting high (or call it a 'buzz,' whatever you prefer).

Every few months I have a margarita with Mexican food and there is no question that I can feel the effects.

Pot smokers can also choose the 'level' that they wish to get a buzz (and I'm sure they do) and it's not realistic to assume that they are going for the 5 margarita/full bottle of wine equivalent...every time they smoke.

Originally Posted by rubicon

alcohol is used for cooking

OK, I'll give you that ONE exception to my above statement.

Originally Posted by rubicon

in conjunction with cooking or in celebration. Many of us enjoy a glass a wine with our meal.

Those uses however, go back to simply trying to judge the 'level' of being high/buzzed.

Originally Posted by rubicon

Clearly people like you and me would send liquor stores broke.

And would very possibly have limited TV to only the Historical Section.

Cheep booze, Happy Hour and strong pours at the squares and establishments...are a big part of TV.

Originally Posted by rubicon

But as a board member I've witnessed the consequences of young people who did drugs, some solely marijuana and it was a heart breaker.

Again my view is not medical marijuana if that were the true nature of the amendment but the door it opens for further abuse .

Organizations , professional politicians, etc have gotten very good at "head fakes".

As I said, do away with just the medical portion and what you are calling a 'head fake'...and treat it exactly like alcohol.

In many respects, it is a LOT less harmful.

That of course flies in the face of decades of programming that have some people convinced, that marijuana really does make you act like the people in 'Reefer Madness.'

The real issue is, that it has always had a connotation in this country with the unsavory...while alcohol always makes life better.

It's not like we will ever see alcohol commercials showing beer drinkers beating their wives, or commercials showing the 'most uninteresting person in the world' ...sitting on a curb with a paper bag in his hand.

Not trying to level a personal attack here, but you yourself are the perfect example of being so misinformed by the government/media/political party, for so many years...that you can't seem to see the truth.

BUT, you are far from alone and having been bombarded all your life with the propaganda (primarily to justify your tax money wasted on throwing small time pot dealers/smokers in jail)...so it's not really your fault.

Originally Posted by rubicon

While it may not be true, is it possible Big Pharma claims its against legalization of marijuana but what they really mean is that they need more time to position so that when it becomes national they will be in a position of the most prolific opportunists?

There's no question in my mind that Big Pharma, Big Alcohol and Big Tobacco would all spend billions trying to get it legalized...if they thought they could take most of the pie.

The biggest problem they have with it, is the fact that they can't control it...because it is too easy for anyone to grow plants.

Originally Posted by rubicon

and just in general what social redeeming value to society does recreational marijuana offer vis a vis the damage it creates in people's lives.

Absolutely no difference in "social redeeming value to society," between alcohol and marijuana (and tobacco)...which is why they should be treated the exact same.

Preconceived notions, a lifetime of programming/brain-washing and the concerted interests of Big Pharma/Alcohol/Tobacco aside.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Allegiance

I don't know the wording of Florida's Marijuana Bill, but I wonder if doctors can prescribe it for anything?

It certainly should be prescribed for PD (Parkinson’s disease), which needs more and better drugs.

Even our wonderful, honorable and courageous former 1st Lady and former US senator is seeking out new treatments for her confirmed advanced PD.

Hillary Clinton & Parkinson's - A Detailed Analysis By Dr Ted Noel - YouTube

Speaking of drugs, you seem to be having MAJOR withdrawal symptoms...not being able to post in the Political Forum.

[Markam]

Seems like most are not aware of what the actual provisions of the current Amendment are - basing their views on speculation and what we remember of the previous amendment. I admit to being one of those so I've begun to dig a little deeper. 'Googling' (sp?) the issue leads to several more objective presentations that I urge us to all to take the time to access. It is an important issue that deserves our attention.

To start your journey of understanding, consider this one.

[Allegiance]

Seems like any doctor can prescribe it for any back ache.

"
The patient must suffer from cancer or a physical medical condition that chronically produces symptoms of seizures, or severe and persistent muscle spasms; or symptoms of the same. "