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Fly Eagles Fly!

[redwitch]

Shouldn't that be Laddie? Have a problem with Lassie hoisting one leg. But do love the cartoon.

Originally Posted by GeorgeT

So, I'd be interested to hear what you think he should do or what should happen to him?

His crime was not a crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time...it was not a crime because he was in the ghetto.....not a crime of making that mistake in one bad second in your life. Not a crime that he could not have walked away from at anytime had he wanted...not a crime where he was not aware of what he was doing over and over......not a crime where he was simply the money man (he DID participate in not just fighting but hard abuse)

He was then welcomed back into the NFL and became a multi millionaire !

Now I ask anyone....what do you think is inside someone that could swing a dog around over his head and then slam his head to the ground ? ACTUAL facts from the trial

Do you think he is "reformed" or do you think he just wants the money ?

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by Rags123

His crime was not a crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time...it was not a crime because he was in the ghetto.....not a crime of making that mistake in one bad second in your life. Not a crime that he could not have walked away from at anytime had he wanted...not a crime where he was not aware of what he was doing over and over......not a crime where he was simply the money man (he DID participate in not just fighting but hard abuse)

He was then welcomed back into the NFL and became a multi millionaire !

Now I ask anyone....what do you think is inside someone that could swing a dog around over his head and then slam his head to the ground ? ACTUAL facts from the trial

Do you think he is "reformed" or do you think he just wants the money ?

I don't know. Do you think he is reformed? Does the courts think he is reformed? Do the shrinks think he is reformed? Who would not want the money?

[collie1228]

This whole argument is nasty and in some respects, Un-American. I hate what Vick did, and I'd never shake his hand or root for his team, or do him a single favor. But he was convicted under our justice system and paid the price the system demanded. Now some people think he has no right to resume his career and be paid for it? Sorry, that's not the way I want my country to operate. You can dislike him (as I do), but you have no right to deny him the rights we all have under our constitution. Boo him louldly when he plays, but you can't deny him his profession. Now let me quickly get out of the way of the spears that are now flying my way . . . .

[PennBF]

It is interesting that a sizable group don't really understand the point that I
think is important. An analogy would be what if he was a "pedophile" or fell
under the Sexual Predator' category? If the person served a short jail term and then released to society is he/she no longer of any concern? Of course not. Here you have a person who killed and tortured defenseless animals and after 1 1/2 years of confinement he is now healed and mentally stable and ready to reenter society without any future treatments. I think not. Serving 1 1/2 years for being abusive is paying a debt to society but not a license that means all of your mental problems are now gone. What drove the person to be so cruel and lack of conscience is a serious question and not easily answered or allegedly cured by a year and a half. I am not a therapist but just plain common sense would indicate this person has some potential deep rooted problems and maybe is very disturbed. As I understand it being raised in "the hood" does not necessarily give a person a free pass to have serious mental and/or behavior problems and to kill and abuse animals, etc.
Net: His conduct would indicate some form of lack of conscience and that is a very serious problem and may not be cured by some limited jail time. It would be interesting what a therapist would say with him returning to a violent world and continuing to claim he is now a "victim" of that world? As the noted Harvard psychiatrist wrote that not all people who claim they are victims have serious problems but is it an early warning sign for some. In the
press he has complained that he is not receiving a "roughing the quarterback" penality as are being called against other quarterback??? A victim ?

[angiefox10]

I think you said that very well. Thank you.

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by PennBF

It is interesting that a sizable group don't really understand the point that I
think is important. An analogy would be what if he was a "pedophile" or fell
under the Sexual Predator' category? If the person served a short jail term and then released to society is he/she no longer of any concern? Of course not. Here you have a person who killed and tortured defenseless animals and after 1 1/2 years of confinement he is now healed and mentally stable and ready to reenter society without any future treatments. I think not. Serving 1 1/2 years for being abusive is paying a debt to society but not a license that means all of your mental problems are now gone. What drove the person to be so cruel and lack of conscience is a serious question and not easily answered or allegedly cured by a year and a half. I am not a therapist but just plain common sense would indicate this person has some potential deep rooted problems and maybe is very disturbed. As I understand it being raised in "the hood" does not necessarily give a person a free pass to have serious mental and/or behavior problems and to kill and abuse animals, etc.
Net: His conduct would indicate some form of lack of conscience and that is a very serious problem and may not be cured by some limited jail time. It would be interesting what a therapist would say with him returning to a violent world and continuing to claim he is now a "victim" of that world? As the noted Harvard psychiatrist wrote that not all people who claim they are victims have serious problems but is it an early warning sign for some. In the
press he has complained that he is not receiving a "roughing the quarterback" penality as are being called against other quarterback??? A victim ?

Do you know for a fact that he is not in therapy? Is he on probation? Does he still talk to groups about the dangers of hurting animals? Do you know if he was classified as having a mental illness. Maybe he was just brought up like that. Maybe he was taught those things. Maybe it is like a wife beater who knows other way because his father did that?

[PennBF]

If you don't understand there is little I can do to help you..!!

[Bonny]

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by PennBF

If you don't understand there is little I can do to help you..!!

I am not the one who needs help.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by PennBF

If you don't understand there is little I can do to help you..!!

I think VillageGolfer asked some legit questions and you answer by dismissive comments like these?

I'd like to know some of the answers as well.

You raised some good points but VillageGolfer also raised some good counter points. Debate it if you can.

[GeorgeT]

Originally Posted by PennBF

If you don't understand there is little I can do to help you..!!

Villagegolfer asked some pointed, legitimate questions and this is your response? Once again, no one on this board is or has defended the terrible things Vick did. Why compare him to a pedophile? Isn't what he did bad enough? If you want a comparison why not the greyhound track owners or even the Morse family but a pedophile? Sorry, but I just don't get that.

[MrMark]

Originally Posted by PennBF

It is interesting that a sizable group don't really understand the point that I
think is important. An analogy would be what if he was a "pedophile" or fell
under the Sexual Predator' category? If the person served a short jail term and then released to society is he/she no longer of any concern? Of course not. Here you have a person who killed and tortured defenseless animals and after 1 1/2 years of confinement he is now healed and mentally stable and ready to reenter society without any future treatments. I think not. Serving 1 1/2 years for being abusive is paying a debt to society but not a license that means all of your mental problems are now gone. What drove the person to be so cruel and lack of conscience is a serious question and not easily answered or allegedly cured by a year and a half. I am not a therapist but just plain common sense would indicate this person has some potential deep rooted problems and maybe is very disturbed. As I understand it being raised in "the hood" does not necessarily give a person a free pass to have serious mental and/or behavior problems and to kill and abuse animals, etc.
Net: His conduct would indicate some form of lack of conscience and that is a very serious problem and may not be cured by some limited jail time. It would be interesting what a therapist would say with him returning to a violent world and continuing to claim he is now a "victim" of that world? As the noted Harvard psychiatrist wrote that not all people who claim they are victims have serious problems but is it an early warning sign for some. In the
press he has complained that he is not receiving a "roughing the quarterback" penality as are being called against other quarterback??? A victim ?

You all really need to get a life. There are lots more pressing issues that influence all of our lives that you should be addressing. Why the continual obsession with Michael Vick. Get over it, it's history.

[angiefox10]

Originally Posted by MrMark

You all really need to get a life. There are lots more pressing issues that influence all of our lives that you should be addressing. Why the continual obsession with Michael Vick. Get over it, it's history.

You may say that about any topic in this forum. What one person is passionate about may not be another person's cup of tea. This clearly is not yours. There are a lot of things that are history. 9/11 is 10 years old and yet people are making a point of remembering. I will honor your feelings if you will honor ours. Some of us who are involved in rescue don't forget that easily.

Thank you Mr. Mark and have a good day.

And for anyone who wishes to challenge me. I will not come back to this topic again.