[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

That is just talking points. If you could pay someone more without hurting your business JUST BECAUSE they had more education don't make sense. Before you respond, keep in mind that we already have collage grads working for minimum wage because of the job market.

That is because when they graduated, they had zero job skills. I advocate mandatory jobs within the students' majors so that when they graduate it is with value instead of with a diploma that is nothing more than a checkmark on the job application.

[Ragman]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

That is because when they graduated, they had zero job skills. I advocate mandatory jobs within the students' majors so that when they graduate it is with value instead of with a diploma that is nothing more than a checkmark on the job application.

Mandated by who?

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by ragman

mandated by who?

life!!!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Ragman

Mandated by who?

At this time most colleges do require internships in the career choice. Our granddaughter interned at our local Cincinnati TV station and spent three months on the Today Show. She worked at the local NPR station at the college that was the link to the surrounding counties for their news and she did this five nights a week...She also worked weekends at the performing arts center and stayed on the deans list for four years. Yes I am bragging. She also kept Ohio University as top party school during her attendance. So hopefully she came out a well rounded person.

She found a job quickly last year and quickly got a promotion.

[Microcodeboy]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

That is just talking points. If you could pay someone more without hurting your business JUST BECAUSE they had more education don't make sense. Before you respond, keep in mind that we already have collage grads working for minimum wage because of the job market.

No, it is really an understanding of basic economics. Bottom line is which you want - people making a lower wage than you think they should or a bigger unemployment problem than we have now. Underemployment is a real problem but not as big as chronic unemployment worse than the mess we are already in. Every time the government gets their hands in a free market the unintended consequences are overwhelming. Most such efforts fail but are swept under the rug.

We need people to have the opportunity to be successful in a free market environment or the whole thing will crash and burn. Lots of examples and history, most is not good. $15 an hour would be a shock to an already fragile market. As suggested by someone else, I would be happy to provide details and backup on this topic if you like. We need regulation to get out of the way of business and not more in the way. Consider the $15 an hour rule would hurt small business much more than big business (but would hurt all) and that small business is the source of over 80% of new jobs in this country. Inevery economic downturn (which is part of the standard business cycle) low end jobs get replaced with technology and that is where education opportunity comes in to play.

Not a difference of opinion, but of economic fact. I stand by my previous post.

[Microcodeboy]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Who knows, but I think it has more to do with owner greed than hurting the economy. The poor folks will spend the extra pay and that would help the economy

Owner Greed. Really!! Clearly you have not run a business. Try owner working 18 hours a day for NO MONEY so he can keep his/her employees working rather than lay off half or more of them. Been there. Have you???

[Microcodeboy]

Originally Posted by golfingnut

i hear you clearly, but i am sure you are wrong. Small business go under due to incompetent owners, not because they pay too much to their employees.

wow!!!!

[rp001]

Clearly there are some with negative opinions of workers in this country. The fact that they aren't even considering that minimum wage places a worker as a head of household in an untenable position. In the business climate today the "fat cats" are bloated and it has become fashionable to blame the workers for their personal plights. I find it disgusting that the wall street types and corporate big shots make so much money at the EXPENSE of their loyal and dedicated workers that can't do better because of the "market" artificially created by corporate greed. AND WALL STREET GROWS TO RECORD NUMBERS while the workers are doing less than they did in the 1960's. How sad and disgusting the greed is in this country now.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by rp001

Clearly there are some with negative opinions of workers in this country. The fact that they aren't even considering that minimum wage places a worker as a head of household in an untenable position. In the business climate today the "fat cats" are bloated and it has become fashionable to blame the workers for their personal plights. I find it disgusting that the wall street types and corporate big shots make so much money at the EXPENSE of their loyal and dedicated workers that can't do better because of the "market" artificially created by corporate greed. AND WALL STREET GROWS TO RECORD NUMBERS while the workers are doing less than they did in the 1960's. How sad and disgusting the greed is in this country now.

I used to complain about the salary of the CEO where my husband worked. He always replied, "good for him, perhaps I will make that much one day". His attitude was hard work pays off. Guess what? He never made as much as the CEO but he always moved forward and ended his career with a good salary. GREED? I feel those complaining about greed are really envious. It takes many hours and much hard work to get to that level. Not everyone wants to do the hard work, make the sacrifices and put in the hours it takes. I say, sour grapes.

[gomoho]

Lift yourself up through hard work or keep taking handouts from the government - your choice.

Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be your life work that you could support a family on. It is a starting point to support yourself while you attain the skills to move up. Somewhere along the line that was forgotten.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by rp001

Clearly there are some with negative opinions of workers in this country. The fact that they aren't even considering that minimum wage places a worker as a head of household in an untenable position. In the business climate today the "fat cats" are bloated and it has become fashionable to blame the workers for their personal plights. I find it disgusting that the wall street types and corporate big shots make so much money at the EXPENSE of their loyal and dedicated workers that can't do better because of the "market" artificially created by corporate greed. AND WALL STREET GROWS TO RECORD NUMBERS while the workers are doing less than they did in the 1960's. How sad and disgusting the greed is in this country now.

This is the first time in my life I have heard big business referred to in such a way. My husband worked for one of the ten largest corporations in the world at one time for 52 years and climbed the ranks. He worked hard for them and they rewarded him with good benefits and a decent salary and some mighty nice perks over time. He started in a lowly positon breaking down big shipping boxes in the union and climbed to a position that he enjoyed and that he did a great job in.

I never thought of them as greedy. I am astonished to move here and run into this attitude and generally it is from people who have not worked in a business for profit situation all of their life. They may have worked for the government or in academia.

It is just how business works and it isn't that some fat cats are making a killing. If the company is in a for profit situation and is making a good margin, they can and do hire more people, give them benefits and a chance at a good life like we have had.

There are unethical and underhanded people in all walks of life. I have never run into this bias before.

[njbchbum]

owner greed, corporate greed, whatever! greed is simply a rationale used by those who are capable but are too lazy to work harder, run faster, jump higher and achieve greater heights in career and/or life.

[JP]

If you raise the minimum wage, the cost of everything you make, produce or deliver has to go up to pay for the increased cost of business due to the increased minimum wage and you are starting an inflationary cycle. The government needs to stay out of trying to control businesses. It never works.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by ivanhoe

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Yes, friends...wait till The Affordable HealthCare kicks in in October and the 20 somethings start to pay for healthcare they never had or gave a rip about before. Then where will your minimum wage want to go to?

lotsa 20 somethings are gonna stay on mommy/daddy's insurance until they turn 26! and that's gonna be a big blow to the $$ the AHCA is supposed to generate to offset expenses! so min wage won't hafta increase for those 20 somethings because of the cost of healthcare!

but i don't wanna hijack this thread.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Ragman

Mandated by who?

By the schools, of course. Many schools allow or require internships, but some of those only allow the students to participate in internships if their grades are high enough. I believe that if students with lower grades were allowed to intern, they might become better students as they may come to realize why they are in school in the first place.