[tomwed]

Originally Posted by Johnd

When I first read this thread there were seven or eight posts in the first three pages calling for pretty extreme sanctions on the dentist, his family and, by extension, his employees. I'm well aware of the practice on social media of ginning up the mob to ruin the life of people for various reasons. I don't agree with that practice and thought that this thread may be veering off in that direction. This is a senior community and we have all gained more knowledge and perspective then we had when we were younger. I don't want to see our social media go in the mistaken direction of the ones dominated by younger people.........
I still say get a grip. Try to keep that grip as this stuff swirls around.

Thank-you for taking the time to sort this out and share your thoughts.

[JP]

I went on one trophy hunt, and to say the least, I thought it was gross. There is really no skill involved in the hunt. The guide takes you to the area where they know the animal lives and puts you in the right spot for a kill shot with your weapon of choice. Not too much skill involved.

Now these people that are condemning this guy, I definitely see their point but when they start talking about the "noble" "pure" "majestic" animal I think they are being hypocrites. Many of these people I am sure are driving their car thru a Mcdonalds or eating a steak or pork chop for dinner. What about the "majestic" animal that was killed to put this food on their plate. Quite a double standard. Either all animals are majestic and should never be harmed or they are here on our planet as a food source.

By the way, many animals view other animals and insects as food sources. Hmmmm. Does that make these animals inherently bad. Aren't we just animals?

[Walt.]

Originally Posted by Justus

No one has said this guy didn't do something illegal, but to equate his act with the slaughter of humans is anthropomorphizing to the extreme. Would you find it impossible to believe that those sweet, beautiful, fuzzy animals are known to relentlessly hunt humans...even without permits?

The next time a lion goes to Eden Prairie and has somebody lured from their home for the purpose of ripping them to pieces let me know.

Originally Posted by Justus

BTW, during Hitler's reign of terror, animals were elevated to human status. Deja vu.

Wow... when you get to this level people might think you've lost it altogether.
I guess it's just a matter of time before somebody yells "racism!!"

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Justus

No one has said this guy didn't do something illegal, but to equate his act with the slaughter of humans is anthropomorphizing to the extreme.

Justus - you didn't reference another post.
Perhaps I missed the post where someone equated the Dentist's kill to the slaughter of humans.
Could you please post the comment you referenced?

[Justus]

Barefoot, If you read through the vitriol in response to this subject, it becomes too evident. When posters wish the dentist would arrive home to find his wife and children slaughtered, what more evidence is needed? The case I cited in an earlier post was published on the same day as the lion story; three people were slaughtered by a stranger to whom they'd offered assistance. The visceral reaction of many to the killing of this animal, and indifference to the other story, reveals that equation.

What is evident as this century unfolds is that animals are indeed being elevated to human status, and human life is being devalued. When we are more appalled by the death of an animal than by the death of a human, we have lost our moral compass. It's a historical fact that Adolf Hitler valued animals in this way; you can find this information anywhere.

Five days ago, a town in Spain became the first to give animals rights equal to those of its citizens. Need I say more?

[Walt.]

Originally Posted by Justus

...The case I cited in an earlier post was published on the same day as the lion story; three people were slaughtered by a stranger to whom they'd offered assistance. The visceral reaction of many to the killing of this animal, and indifference to the other story, reveals that equation.

It could be because group-murders happen every day. When was the last time you saw a story about multi-beheadings in Mexico? It gets to the point where you can't get upset every time you read about it. Next week people will be all concerned about some kid whose tree-house fell down.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Justus - you didn't reference another post. Perhaps I missed the post where someone equated the Dentist's kill to the slaughter of humans. Could you please post the comment you referenced?

Originally Posted by Justus

Barefoot, If you read through the vitriol in response to this subject, it becomes too evident.

I still haven't seen a comment where a poster equated the Dentist's kill to the slaughter of humans.
I think you are taking comments out of context to make a point. So be it.
No-one is indifferent to the story about the killing of three humans by a stranger. It's just not the topic of this thread.

[Patty55]

Well, what do y'know, it seems Dr. Palmer had a similar problem back in 2008 when he killed a bear.




Dr. Palmer 2008 Charges

And it looks like in 2009 he settled a sexual harassment case with his receptionist/patient. WHAT A GUY.

Dr. Palmer has a criminal record and then some (Reply #50) - Democratic Underground

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Walt.

It could be because group-murders happen every day. When was the last time you saw a story about multi-beheadings in Mexico? It gets to the point where you can't get upset every time you read about it. Next week people will be all concerned about some kid whose tree-house fell down.

I see your point, but I also see what Justis is trying to say. I don't approve of trophy hunting, and this whole slaughter of the collared lion was a terrible tragedy, certainly not sporting. But I do agree with Justis, in that society seems to be placing more and more importance on animals, and becoming indifferent to or ignoring the plight of humans. I look at the millions of dollars that are spent on dogs in The Villages for example. We all want to take care of our pets, to be sure, but surely a line needs to be drawn somewhere. We have human beings in the surrounding areas that are starving and homeless, and we're spending $thousands on dog hip replacements on aging pets, for example. It just feels like we, as a society, have gone a little overboard with animals.

[Greg Nelson]

The thrill of the hunt...

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I still haven't seen a comment where a poster equated the Dentist's kill to the slaughter of humans.
I think you are taking comments out of context to make a point. So be it.
No-one is indifferent to the story about the killing of three humans by a stranger. It's just not the topic of this thread.

I don't agree with your narrow interpretation, however it's your opinion and I respect and defend your right to have it, just as I am sure you do mine.

[shcisamax]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

I see your point, but I also see what Justis is trying to say. I don't approve of trophy hunting, and this whole slaughter of the collared lion was a terrible tragedy, certainly not sporting. But I do agree with Justis, in that society seems to be placing more and more importance on animals, and becoming indifferent to or ignoring the plight of humans. I look at the millions of dollars that are spent on dogs in The Villages for example. We all want to take care of our pets, to be sure, but surely a line needs to be drawn somewhere. We have human beings in the surrounding areas that are starving and homeless, and we're spending $thousands on dog hip replacements on aging pets, for example. It just feels like we, as a society, have gone a little overboard with animals.

In some ways we may have gone overboard on our pets and there are times we need to let them go..just as we do with humans. However, some humans have begun to recognize their opposing thumb and larger brain do not necessarily make them more deserving of life than other species. I think it is a very healthy discussion to have as to whether trophy hunting smacks of something truly ugly and something grotesque within those that feel joy from stalking another living thing, killing it, beheading and skinning it and displaying your kill in your home.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

I see your point, but I also see what Justis is trying to say. I don't approve of trophy hunting, and this whole slaughter of the collared lion was a terrible tragedy, certainly not sporting. But I do agree with Justis, in that society seems to be placing more and more importance on animals, and becoming indifferent to or ignoring the plight of humans. I look at the millions of dollars that are spent on dogs in The Villages for example. We all want to take care of our pets, to be sure, but surely a line needs to be drawn somewhere. We have human beings in the surrounding areas that are starving and homeless, and we're spending $thousands on dog hip replacements on aging pets, for example. It just feels like we, as a society, have gone a little overboard with animals.

Dogs are great emotional companions for people and often keep the family's involved on a very even keel.

As to helping the homeless, empathy with them would be paramount in helping them out. There has been a retired Navy man and former Orlando area teacher who lives among the homeless in various communities and then blogs, videos, etc, about the problems they have with finding jobs, dealing with authorities, fighting prejudices, etc. His work is very eye-opening . Walk a Mile in Their Shoes | A 24 Hour Crash Course on Homelessness News and Media | Walk a Mile in Their Shoes https://www.facebook.com/hungryandhomeless

Some homeless also have their animals along so that they can cope with their difficult lives.

[Chi-Town]

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[Chi-Town]

Time for a reminder of what this thread is about: